1. Steve Nash2. Jason Kidd3. Gilbert Arenas4. Chauncey Billups5. Baron Davis6. Chris Paul7. Tony Parker 8. Deron Williams9. Kirk Hinrich10. Andre MillerPacers Fan Forever, I left off your boy Jamaal Tinsley. Sorry dude.
Deron Williams all the way down at 8? That is ridiculous.1. Steve Nash2. Jason Kidd3. Chauncey Billups4. Chris Paul5. Deron Williams6. Baron Davis7. Tony Parker8. Kirk Hinrich9. Raymond Felton10. Andre MillerI left Gilbert off. I know, he plays the point guard position, but I don't view him as a point guard at all. I view him as an undersized 2-guard, like AI. There's nothing wrong with that, but I don't like listing him as a point guard.Also, sorry High5, I can't put Rondo here yet.
I had Deron Williasm all the way down to eighth because Baron Davis is incredible, but I don't have an excuse for Tony Parker.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (WizGM @ May 27 2007, 06:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>what about TJ Ford</div>What about him?I'll get a big 6 paragraph report on why TJ Ford is a top ten point guard in this league from CB4.
My top ten: 1. Steve Nash2. Gilbert Arenas3. Chauncey Billups4. Jason Kidd5. Tony Parker6. Chris Paul7. Deron Williams8. Baron Davis9. TJ Ford10. Kirk Hinrich
1. Steve Nash2. Jason Kidd3. Chauncey Billups4. Chris Paul5. Baron Davis6. Deron Williams7. Tony Parker8. Kirk Hinrich9. Andre Miller10. TJ Ford
1. Steve Nash2. Jason Kidd3. Chauncy Billups4. Chris Paul5. Deron Williams6. Baron Davis7. Tony Parker8. Kirk Hinrich9. Andre Miller10. TJ Ford
1. Steve Nash2. Jason Kidd3. Chauncey Billups4. Chris Paul5. Deron Williams6. Baron Davis7. Kirk Hinrich8. Tony Parker9. Allen Iverson10. T.J. Ford
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (808Hornetsfan @ May 27 2007, 04:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>1. Steve Nash2. Jason Kidd3. Chauncey Billups4. Chris Paul5. Deron Williams6. Baron Davis7. Kirk Hinrich8. Tony Parker9. Allen Iverson10. T.J. Ford</div>Allen Iverson 9th? Is that a joke lol? If your gonna count him as a PG which I didn't, imo he should atleast be in the top 4. IMO he's also ahead of Billups but that one can be argued.
I like CB32's list, though I don't know too much about Felton. Let's go check the stats...eh, I'd bump up Miller and replace Felton with Ford.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ May 27 2007, 07:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I like CB32's list, though I don't know too much about Felton. Let's go check the stats...eh, I'd bump up Miller and replace Felton with Ford.</div>Felton is a better basketball player, and point guard than TJ Ford is. Felton is a better passer, has better court awarness, sets up an offense better, and is better all around. As for checking stats, because of the Bobcats not really having a great 2-guard, Brevin Knight played alongside Raymond Felton alot. With both of them playing together, and having to share the ball handling duties for large amounts of the game, his stats are going to look lower than TJ Ford's stats. As far as player and point guard, Raymond Felton is a better player and point guard. He can break down the defense off the dribble just as well, can step out and hit the jumper, is a little better defensively(really, who isn't better than TJ Ford defensively).
I can't believe so many people have Deron over Baron. Here's what I said on the subject on another site:<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Baron vs. Deron, pestilence style: We'll start out with the basic statistics Scoring: Baron Davis averaged 4 points more in 2 minutes less this season. Deron was more efficient, but he also had an offense that got him the ball in oppurtune spots. For the second straight season, Baron Davis had the most unassisted field goals per game of any player in the league, meaning he had to make his own shot basically every play. Assists: I'll give this to Deron, due to the Warriors' faster pace, but not by much. It's pretty close to a dead heat here as Deron plays in a system that gets whoever the point guard is a lot of assists. Rebounding: When Deron Williams is in the game, his team does 5% worse on the offensive glass. And that's replacing Derek Fisher, not exactly a rebounding specialist. Williams is a far worse rebounder than Davis. Turnovers: Edge to Baron because he averages slightly less despite playing in a high paced system that should produce more turnovers than the Jerry Sloan system. Defense: Williams' defense isn't even close to Davis'. Williams hurts his team's defense significantly, and when he's on the court his team allows more than 6 points more per 48 minutes than when he's off the court. Golden State, on the other hand, allow 110 points per 48 minutes when Baron is off the court and cut it to 103.7 when he's on the court. In other words, Baron helps his team as much as Deron hurts it defensively. When Baron is off the court the opponents shoot an unreal 52% from the field. Overall impact: Overall, per 48 minutes, the Jazz are +2.5 when Williams is on the floor and +3.8 when he's off the court. The Warriors are +5.1 when Baron is on the court and -7.5 points per 48 minutes when he's off the court. In otherwords, Baron makes a 12.5 ppg difference to his team, whereas Deron makes a minimal one. Clutch Play: They are both pretty clutch players, but BD blows Deron out of the water in this category. Baron has an efg% of over 52% in the clutch, averaging 35 points per 48 minutes in the clutch. Deron has an efg% of 47% in the clutch and averages 25 points per 48 minutes during the clutch. Winning: You can't blame bd for being injured and costing his team wins. He didn't have three other allstars on his team like Dwill did. And despite the big difference in regular season supporting cast, the Warriors with bd on the court have a better winning percentage than the Jazz wirth Dwill on the court (60.3%-57.1%) and a better winning margin (Warriors +5.1 per 48 minutes, Jazz +2.5 per 48 ). Passing Revisited: One thing you have to take into account with these assists is that not all assists are created equal. Baron Davis dished out significantly more three point assists than DWill did this season, and clearly those are worth more. Overall, Deron Williams' assists contribute to 26.1 points per 48 minutes, while BD's contribute to 25.5 points per 48 minutes. Scale that down to the 35 minutes they usually play and you'll find the difference to be nearly nonexistant. And that difference can be explained by Carlos Boozer, a man who receives more assists than any player in the league, and was doing so before Deron was even in the league. Overall, since BD is so much of a better defender, the only way this could be a discussion would be if DWill was better at offense. A way to figure this out is percentage of one's team's production. Deron Williams is responsible, either by scoring or passing, for 35.8% of his team's points. Baron Davis is responsible for 36.46% of his team's points. If you adjust for minutes played the margin grows. When Baron is on the court, he's responsible for 48.9% of his team's points. When Deron is on the court he's responsible for 46.4% of his team's points. So basically, Deron is a worse scorer, rebounder, clutch player, defensive player, ball handler, and impact player, but is even to marginally better on passing. Sounds like a better player to me :eyeroll:</div>
1. Steve Nash2. Jason Kidd3. Chauncy Billups4. Chris Paul5. Baron Davis6. Deron Williams7.Kirk Hinrich8. Tony Parker9. Andre Miller10. TJ Ford
I'm tired of everyone saying, 'Oh, Player A is not a true point guard, he just plays it'. It does not f*cking matter if he is not a true point guard or not, if he plays the position for his team, then he IS a point guard. 1. Steve Nash2. Jason Kidd3. Chauncey Billups4. Chris Paul 5. Baron Davis6. Gilbert Arenas7. Deron Williams8. Tony Parker9. Kirk Hinrich10. TJ Ford
These are the players I would rather have on my team:1. Jason Kidd2. Steve Nash3. Chauncey Billups4. Chris Paul5. Baron Davis 6. Deron Williams7. Kirk Hinrich 8. Tony Parker-- I can't really decide well enough past here.I left off AI and Arenas.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SunnyD @ May 27 2007, 05:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Allen Iverson at 9 is terrible, I agree. But he doesn't play PG in Denver, that's Steve Blake's job.</div>so that's why no one has him up there. I'll take Iverson off and replace him with Arenas. then.
I am suprised so many people picked Steve Nash over Jason Kidd. Sure Nash is a great offensive player, but that is about all you can say about him- and you can throw in he is a good leader. Jason Kidd- although he doesn't have the greatest shot in the world- can do just about everything on both ends of the court. And on top of all of that, he can rebound. Jason Kidd is a more complete player, where as Nash has his limits. If you pick Nash, you better hope you have the players on your team to help out defensively and on the boards.
1) Steve Nash2) Jason Kidd3) Gilbert Arenas4) Deron Williams5) Chauncey Billups6) Tony Parker7) Chris Paul (would be higher if not for the injuries)8) Baron Davis9) Andre Miller10) T.J. Ford
