Toronto has a great coach, used to work with Stotts and thinks highly of him. D'Antoni has Harden, don't forget that little detail. Gentry just might be the worst coach I've ever seen. Kerr has so many weapons that it's not funny. Hard to fail with his roster. Rivers is doing poorly this year now that he doesn't have Paul, Griffin and Jordan. He is not a great coach but an excellent complainer. Carlisle ain't doing so hot. I think your list is flawed.
Nurk is terrible at long range 2s and don't get me started on his 3s. Turner is an excellent post up player and is deadly at his mid range jumper. He is very spotty at farther out shots. Yeah, I think the remark was accurate.
The point is that it is not effective or intelligent for either Nurk or Turner to take long 2 pointers or any 3 pointers. And it is the responsibility of the coach to make sure they don't. It seems to me that you are the one who is trying to distract here, rather than take a reasoned opposition view.
As if that could be debated after watching last night. Fuck. Nurk even missed the rim on some mid range shots!
And not to mention that my biggest concern is long 2 pointers by Nurkic, and of course any three pointer he takes is foolish, even if there are very few. Many games are decided by a point or two.
As the post said, "career". Thank you @hoopsjock ... exactly right. I didn't cherry pick. I included his whole career and his entire abysmal Playoff record.
Gentry is the worst coach you’ve ever seen but almost every expert I heard from the playoff series last year said Stotts was completely out coached by him... Rivers, I dislike him but I think its kind of impressive how well theyve stayed competitive while giving up their 3 stars. They competed for a playoff spot last year and will probably get in this year. Dantoni doesnt do much for me. Really all those guys have more success than Stotts. Again this isnt a knock on Stotts but I dont think the original list is that far off.
I just wonder if someday we will lose enough so the "Portland are lucky to have Terry Stotts because it's not easy to win in Portland" narrative will change. Probably not but you never know.
If an 11-24 Playoff record in 11 freaking career seasons qualifies as a Top-10 coach, the bar must not be very high.
You don't understand. The definition of Top 10 coach is, any NBA coach who lasts 10 consecutive years with the same team because management was too lazy to try someone new. In all history, there have been fewer than 10. So that defines a Top 10 coach. If my subjective memory is correct, Stotts entered this elite 83 years ago. Time passes fast when you're having fun.
Just going to take this list and run with it. There are calls by the Philly fanbase to fire Brett Brown after Philly lost to the Wiz and then ATL. 'Process is over, bring in a coach to take us to the next level'. Gentry while he's out coached two Portland coaches in the playoffs. His respective team's fanbase still would trade him for a Klondike bar. Look at tonight, he got blasted for not protecting AD. Geko's fired former coach of the year and a coach who completely revamped their offense all because they got LeBron'd. Won't know if their decision is correct until well... They make it past the ECF and possibly it still won't be correct as they'll get to face GSW. Meaning they won't get dumpstered by LBJ, but they'll still get dumpstered... If you go visit the Jazz forums you'll see many of the same arguments made about Synder by Utah fans, that several fans make on this forum about Stotts. Not to mention up until a week or so ago Utah was under .500. That fanbase lamblasted Snyder during their streak late in the season last year. I even remember posts of 'I'd trade Synder for Stotts'. Can you imagine what was said about Snyder for coaching the Jazz to under .500? Sure injures, but anyone who thinks fans let injures be an excuse is forgetting what happened after Portland got 4-1'd by GSW. Kerr has yet to get GSW to gel this year. Being that Walton was able to coach that team just as well as Kerr. Not sure it's Kerr or if it's having the depth to bring a former finals MVP off the bench.... D'Antoni was getting hammered by Rockettes fans for their start. Not Memelol. Joerger has yet to really show anything other than alienating his best players. Hell in November Divac issued a statement about his job security or lack there of... Who knows how good Spo is, seems he might know what he's doing but what has he done since LBJ left? Relied on old man Wade to carry the team? Unable to get Whiteside to stay on the court is certainly one thing he's done. Rivers has always done well in the regular season, but what does he do in the playoffs? Lose unless he has KG to carry him. Brad Stevens, Carlisle, Pop. Sure I can see those three being elite. Now if only we could clone them. I'm not against finding a new coach, just like I'm not against trading CJ. But you have to have somewhat of a picture in mind of what you're looking to get. Just naming names, in hopes the outlook changes is asinine. Considering it's more of a 'grass is always greener' situation. As most of these coaches listed, if you actually looked... Have the same shit brought up about them by their respective fan bases as Stotts does.
Meh, I've read a lot of it. Many complaints aren't listed with legitimate basketball reasons. IF that was the case in here, Stotts' apologists would have a case. It's not. Me (and many extremely knowledgeable posters) have pointed out countless basketball reasons and issues with Stotts' coaching. Much more in depth than I see other forums do with their respective coaches.
Just so it's clear, the last sentence of my post you quoted was "And I don't even particularly like half the names I listed, but they've all proven more that Stotts." I'm not saying replace Stotts with any one of these guys - not by a long stretch. I believe I was replying to a comment that Stotts was clearly a Top 10 coach. I just rattled off however many names to illustrate that he is not clearly a Top 10 coach. He's a middle-of-the-pack regular season coach.
I'm not sure how Carlisle can be rated as being elite as he hasn't done much since the championship year in 2010/11. Here is his record compared to Stotts. Carlisle Stotts 2012/13 41-41 33-49 2013/14 49-33* 54-28* 2014/15 50-32* 51-31* 2015/16 42-40* 44-38* 2016/17 33-49 41-41* 2017/18 24-58 49-33* 2018/19 20-23 26-19 Total 259-244 298-239 Carlisle has made the playoffs 3 times and never made it past the first round during that time period. Stotts has made the playoffs 5 times and on pace for a 6th consecutive and has made it to the second round twice. The way many in here whine and cry about Stotts I can only imagine what those same posters would be acting like with the Dallas record over the same time as Stotts has been the coach for Portland and I have always been a big fan of Carlisle.
Many of those names are not better than Stotts. Some are worse and some might be equal while a few are definitely above which would put Stotts around the middle of your list.
I watched a Celtics game the other day, forget which one, (have lots of Boston friends who love to text about Boston teams) and there were several situations that we questioned Brad Stevens. And he is elite. I wonder if this forum were to spend an entire season being die hard Celtics fans if the same people would question Brad. I assume yes. I think people are looking for perfection - no missed substitutions, no mistakes, no incorrect play calls, because Brad does it. That and a combination of a player breaking a play or going rogue once in a while - happens all the time - making the coach look responsible for something the player did all by himself. Of course there are things 100% on the coach - totally f'ing up a play call or leaving a guy on the bench too long, etc. I am not against finding a new coach. Better nail it though. Lot of guys like Stotts and play hard for him. When this team loses - its never because of effort. Watch the entire NBA and these average/bad teams and the effort. Terrible. The Lakers v Cle two days ago - Luke's gonna get fired I bet.
Hopefully, the fans in Dallas are whining about their GM. Parsons, Matthews, Barnes, Jordan--they've spent a lot of big money on a lot of mediocre talent. Since Dirk began to fall off, there's been a massive talent deficit in Dallas. Doncic may begin to reverse those fortunes, but it's going to take a bit of help. As much as people bash Olshey for his 2016 signings and his general roster inactivity, his "dumpster-diving" has continually refreshed the roster with talent superior to what Carlisle has been suffering with.
would you rate Carlisle as one of 3 elite coaches in the league like what was said in a previous post? Also one could say that Stotts is better at getting more out of the talent he has been given compared to Carlisle.
