I dont know if anyones noticed but since the Spurs won their last championship hes become a bit overrated (and made a few allstar games) Tony is really only a little above average to me, he is still the same player who couldnt shoot but now he uses his speed to constantly try to layup the ball and get fouled(Yeah he's good at doing that) But in the last few years, that's all thats developed in his game. He's still an average defender,passer,and shooter on his best days. He's a good player dont get me wrong but he is not allstar worthy to me other then that he plays on a great team so he gets alot of hype based on that.
I agree. Having Tim Duncan and Eva has boosted the "ratings" that he gets. Untill he works on his shot more, I don't have him as one of the top couple of point guards in the league. His defense isn't good enough to make up for his lack of a shot. What impresses me is that he is able to score so much inside. I mean, all he can do is get his points in the paint because he doesn't have a consistant shot to get the points anywhere else, so you would think it would be a lot harder for him to get in there and score- everyone knows that is where he is going to get the bulk of his points and he isn't the biggest or strongest guy out there. Going out with Eva, having Duncan on your team, and being on this Spurs team is what has made it so he can get the hype he does. Aside from what I just said about his speed and ability to get inside and finish, I could name plenty of point guards I would rather have than him.
You guys are really confusedTony Parker is hyped up because he is a team player, not because of his individual skills. You guys are just mentioning his driving ability, defense, passing, but everybody knows Tony Parker does not have the best individual skills. But he is the perfect pg for a team based on teamwork, he hustles, does little things to help his team win, helps set up Tim Duncan and Manu Ginolbli (who don't add to his assist count since they are 1 on 1 players)... Tony Parker is what we call a floor general, not an individual wonder. He is the ultimate winner. You guys are only focused on his ultimate abilities, which is wrong.
tony parker can shoot very good on his BEST days(.) thats just from what I've seen(.)He aint overrated(.) His attacking breaks a lot of defenses apart, especially knowing he has TIM DUNCAN who can easily clean up if he misses(.) Bowen Barry Finley and/or Ginobili behind the arc left alone due to penetration helps also(.) Since he has this skill and uses it very effectively I believe he is not overrated as I said(.) I thought he was overrated earlier in his career but lately he has defined himself very well using his guts and speed as an advantage over other players(.) He needs to step his D up though, but then again thats where the team comes in(.)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ May 28 2007, 10:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You guys are really confusedTony Parker is hyped up because he is a team player, not because of his individual skills. You guys are just mentioning his driving ability, defense, passing, but everybody knows Tony Parker does not have the best individual skills. But he is the perfect pg for a team based on teamwork, he hustles, does little things to help his team win, helps set up Tim Duncan and Manu Ginolbli (who don't add to his assist count since they are 1 on 1 players)... Tony Parker is what we call a floor general, not an individual wonder. He is the ultimate winner. You guys are only focused on his ultimate abilities, which is wrong.</div>People where I live are to "high" on Parker. They overrate him. They seem to forget that Duncan is the team's superstar and Parker is more of a side kick. That is why I say he is some what overrated. But what I actually said in my first post, there is nothing wrong with it. I never said Parker was "hyped up" because of his individual skills. I said: "Going out with Eva, having Duncan on your team, and being on this Spurs team is what has made it so he can get the hype he does. Aside from what I just said about his speed and ability to get inside and finish, I could name plenty of point guards I would rather have than him."By the way, yes, Tim Duncan and Manu add to Parker's assist count. They like going one-on-one but they don't do it every time. If Parker can get Manu or Duncan an easy shot, they are going to take it. They aren't going to wait for a guy to guard them so they can go one-on-one. You can say the type of offense the Spurs run because of Manu and Duncan's offensive preferences enable a limited amount of assists for Parker in a game, but to say Manu and Duncan don't add to Parker's assist count is a poor evaluation and is wrong.
Any PG to me that can put up close to 20ppg and shoot over 50% from the floor is damn good in my book. Nobody is overrating him. I would love to see what his numbers would look like on a different team.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ May 28 2007, 10:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You guys are really confusedTony Parker is hyped up because he is a team player, not because of his individual skills. You guys are just mentioning his driving ability, defense, passing, but everybody knows Tony Parker does not have the best individual skills. But he is the perfect pg for a team based on teamwork, he hustles, does little things to help his team win, helps set up Tim Duncan and Manu Ginolbli (who don't add to his assist count since they are 1 on 1 players)... Tony Parker is what we call a floor general, not an individual wonder. He is the ultimate winner. You guys are only focused on his ultimate abilities, which is wrong.</div>Nice sig.Floor General? I wouldn't use that phrase to describe Parker. He drives to the lane just as often as he 'sets up' Duncan and Ginobili.He doesn't play that good of defense, he can't really shoot, he isn't a wonderful passer that Nash or Chris Paul is, but 20 ppg on high FG% is impressive.
Parker benefits from teams double teaming Duncan very often. A good portion of his points come just from that and his great ability to lay up the ball. And go as far to say he is the best at executing layups in the nba but thats it. If he were asked to be a focal point of a team, his field goal % would skyrocket down.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Drake24 @ May 28 2007, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>People where I live are to "high" on Parker. They overrate him. They seem to forget that Duncan is the team's superstar and Parker is more of a side kick. That is why I say he is some what overrated. But what I actually said in my first post, there is nothing wrong with it. I never said Parker was "hyped up" because of his individual skills. I said: "Going out with Eva, having Duncan on your team, and being on this Spurs team is what has made it so he can get the hype he does. Aside from what I just said about his speed and ability to get inside and finish, I could name plenty of point guards I would rather have than him."By the way, yes, Tim Duncan and Manu add to Parker's assist count. They like going one-on-one but they don't do it every time. If Parker can get Manu or Duncan an easy shot, they are going to take it. They aren't going to wait for a guy to guard them so they can go one-on-one. You can say the type of offense the Spurs run because of Manu and Duncan's offensive preferences enable a limited amount of assists for Parker in a game, but to say Manu and Duncan don't add to Parker's assist count is a poor evaluation and is wrong.</div>I don't know how people think where you're from, but if anybody thinks Parker isn't the #2 option is stupid. Also, Duncan and Manu add to Parker's assist count... give me a break. You could easily say "Carter/Jefferson add to Kidd's," "Amare, Marion, Barbosa, and Bell add to Nash's," "Boozer and Okur add to Deron's," etc. Give me a break. By the way, I don't think anybody views Parker as a pass-first floor general, he's a scoring point guard, and he's VERY good at what he does.I do not think Parker is overrated. Not many people can do what he does (have that kind of quickness and use it to his advantage at all times, plays smart, an amazing finisher around the basket, has a floater than really only Ben Gordon can compete with, plays good defense, always under control, and plays so efficiently).
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I don't know how people think where you're from, but if anybody thinks Parker isn't the #2 option is stupid.</div>None of them know anything about the NBA aside from what they see on SportsCenter and high-lights, and apparently the high-lights gave them the impression Parker is the team's star and best player, not Duncan. I never said he wasn't the second option, I said there is no way in hell he is the first. That honor goes to Duncan.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Also, Duncan and Manu add to Parker's assist count... give me a break. You could easily say "Carter/Jefferson add to Kidd's," "Amare, Marion, Barbosa, and Bell add to Nash's," "Boozer and Okur add to Deron's," etc. Give me a break.</div>Please tell me you are talking to PFF and not me. I can't really tell. PFF said Duncan and Manu don't get assists off of Parker because they are "1-on-1" players, I said he was wrong.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Drake24 @ May 28 2007, 07:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Please tell me you are talking to PFF and not me. I can't really tell. PFF said Duncan and Manu don't get assists off of Parker because they are "1-on-1" players, I said he was wrong.</div>I was referring to PFF's comment, you agreed with me by saying it was a stupid one. I should have split that up with the first sentence, responding to you.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (S_Guard @ May 28 2007, 04:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>tony parker can shoot very good on his BEST days(.) thats just from what I've seen(.)He aint overrated(.) His attacking breaks a lot of defenses apart, especially knowing he has TIM DUNCAN who can easily clean up if he misses(.) Bowen Barry Finley and/or Ginobili behind the arc left alone due to penetration helps also(.) Since he has this skill and uses it very effectively I believe he is not overrated as I said(.) I thought he was overrated earlier in his career but lately he has defined himself very well using his guts and speed as an advantage over other players(.) He needs to step his D up though, but then again thats where the team comes in(.)</div>what(.) the (.) F*ck(.) does(.) all (.) this (.) mean?On Parker, I think he is slightly overrated as an individual player. However, the Spurs keep winning so you can't knock him that much.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ May 28 2007, 06:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Parker benefits from teams double teaming Duncan very often. A good portion of his points come just from that and his great ability to lay up the ball. And go as far to say he is the best at executing layups in the nba but thats it. If he were asked to be a focal point of a team, his field goal % would skyrocket down.</div>I don't know what your talking about, but teams look to control his driving to the lane and getting easy layups just as much they try to limit Tim Duncan from getting points inside. He often draws the other teams best perimeter defenders, as can be seen from the likes of Shawn Marion guarding him here in the playoffs. Parker doesn't really benefit that much at all from Duncan's double teams, as he still usually has people trying to meet him and alter his shot alot at the goal. Usually the ones that benefit from Duncan's double teams are the better three point shooters on the team, like Bowen, Barry and Ginobili. As for Parker being overrated, I do not believe he is overrated at all. His ability to drive off the dribble is a very important part of the game for the Spurs. He causes defenses to collapse on him in the paint, for the kickouts that send the ball in motion. He might not get high assist numbers off of these kick outs, but they usually lead to an open man getting an open three point shot, which is a good reason for why the Spurs have shot a higher 3 point field goal percentage the past couple of years. That along with the double team kick outs by Duncan that also lead to the open three point shots. I don't see Tony Parker as being overrated at all.
