<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DeeVeeSss @ May 30 2007, 02:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>HUH??Look at what the Heat gave up to get shaq. They didn't want Wade to be a part of the deal. Just like the Bulls won't give up Deng.If the Bulls give up Deng I'm convince Paxson is the most brain dead GM in the NBA</div>The Lakers have a lot more freedom than they did with the Shaq deal. They had to get O'neal out quick so they could resign Kobe. They have all the time in the world right now.
I love Living_Legend's trade. Works out for both teams. Chicago might need some PG help, but look at the 2008 draft class: Eric Gordon, Derrick Rose, OJ Mayo, Darren Collison, Jerryd Bayliss, Ty Lawson, Drew Neitzel, Dominic James, etc.CB32 and other Celtic fans, you were saying AI and Pierce would work out well, but Kobe and Pierce wouldn't? What is the reasons?
http://news.kb24.com/#311<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Wassup y'all ...Man, today is one of those surreal days for me and my family. When you love something as much as I love the Lakers its hard to even imagine thinking about being elsewhere. But, the ONE THING I will never sacrifice when it comes to basketball is WINNING. That is plain and simply what it's all about. It's in my DNA. It's what pushes me to work as hard as I do. It's my daily passion and pursuit.The more I thought about the future, the more I became convinced that the Lakers and me just have two different visions for the future. The Lakers are pursuing a longer-term plan that is different from what Dr. Buss shared with me at the time I re-signed as a free agent. I have seen that plan unfold for the last three years and watched great trade opportunities come and go, and have seen free agents passed on. That has led to the Lakers not winning a playoff series. All of that was frustrating in itself, but then, this week to have someone "inside" the Laker organization try to blame me in the media for us not being a contender right now -- that is what brought me to my current position today.I want it to be clear that I still love, with all my heart, the Laker Legacy. From Mikan to West to Goodrich to Wilt to Kareem to Magic. That will never change. And the support my family and I have gotten from Lakers fans is undeniably the best. I will also always believe that.But, now there is a new road ahead. I am gonna keep grindin and keep workin to get back to competing for Championships. Sometimes the trek up the mountain is tough. But, I know we'll get there.Strength and Honor,Kobe</div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ChuckTheD @ May 30 2007, 02:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>http://news.kb24.com/#311</div>Buss better do some making up and fast.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ChuckTheD @ May 30 2007, 05:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Lakers have a lot more freedom than they did with the Shaq deal. They had to get O'neal out quick so they could resign Kobe. They have all the time in the world right now.</div>I hear what your saying. However; I think if the Bulls have to give up Deng they should just go after their real needs which is Post Presence. The bulls can easily turn to Denver and get Nene or Camby and not have to give up Deng at all ON the other hand Kobe has a choice to where he gets traded as well and he can ride it out in LA as long as he has to.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DTP @ May 30 2007, 05:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I never said he was going to Boston, I said it would be a solid deal imo. Al Jefferson is a good post but can you seriously tell me you'd take Al Jefferson over the greatest player in the game right now? And its not like this would be the only deal Boston would make, they would obviously try to get a big man through free agency which is very much possible and then also building that bench up a little bit. Right now Boston is probably 3-4 years away from even being a 8th seed type team and with Pierce there that doesn't cut it for him. Pierce wants to win now, he obviously won't win with that team plus a 5th overall selection. And once you get good talent like a Pierce and Bryant guys would want to come to Boston, you'd be amazed at the names that would be interested in playing in Boston or the guys that would end up in Boston. I don't watch Boston a lot but I know Green isn't some great player just yet. Dude is an average shooting guard in my eyes right now, probably has potential but when you have a chance to get someone as big as Kobe Bryant F*ck potential. And about Pierce and Bryant not being able to get along, when have you ever seen Pierce not get alone with a player? I'm sure if he could play with Walker he could damn sure play with Kobe. This like I said would make Boston and contender in the East right off the back. And all those fans who supposedly hate Kobe was just chanting MVP for him last season right? I'm pretty damn sure the fans would get over it pretty soon.</div>It's a stupid trade. You'd have Pierce, Bryant, and nothing else. Sure some guys would want to go to Boston, but you still wouldn't be able to afford them. In theory trading young guys for Kobe makes sense, but the C's would cripple their team in doing so. The Celtics need big men and the Lakers need backcourt help. Neither team gets what they need in any kind of deal.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DeeVeeSss @ May 30 2007, 05:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I hear what your saying. However; I think if the Bulls have to give up Deng they should just go after their real needs which is Post Presence. The bulls can easily turn to Denver and get Nene or Camby and not have to give up Deng at all ON the other hand Kobe has a choice to where he gets traded as well and he can ride it out in LA as long as he has to.</div>If we can get Kobe, I really dont think Deng will matter much to us at all. Any situation where we would be trading(and not for Kobe) id absolutely want to keep Deng. But if you plan on going after the biggest name in the NBA you have to at least offer your best player.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KobeBryant_24 @ May 30 2007, 05:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>We are not going to trade Kobe Bryant.</div>In all likliness I dont believe the lakers will either but I'd say there is a good 70/30 chance at the least that even a bryant fan must recognize.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ May 30 2007, 05:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If we can get Kobe, I really dont think Deng will matter much to us at all. Any situation where we would be trading(and not for Kobe) id absolutely want to keep Deng. But if you plan on going after the biggest name in the NBA you have to at least offer your best player.</div>Then whats the point of getting him? You skeleton your entire team to get Kobe and you still won't win. You'll be a Lakers team all over again. Only way to progress you have to have some sort of team with you. I just don't see it happening and the fact that Kobe has choice where to go will make it harder for Buss and Co. to make it happen. I guess we will see where it all goes from here. I guess I'm saying this more selfishly as I may not be a Bulls fan (I'm a raptors fan) I love Deng and to see him in LA would be so crappy. At the same time Deng and Kobe would tear up the East for the next 5 years at least.
BCB why did you bash KG and yet say it's OK for kobe. It's far more reasonable and understandable for KG to want out, though I say screw both of them.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DeeVeeSss @ May 30 2007, 05:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Then whats the point of getting him? You skeleton your entire team to get Kobe and you still won't win. You'll be a Lakers team all over again. Only way to progress you have to have some sort of team with you. I just don't see it happening and the fact that Kobe has choice where to go will make it harder for Buss and Co. to make it happen. I guess we will see where it all goes from here. I guess I'm saying this more selfishly as I may not be a Bulls fan (I'm a raptors fan) I love Deng and to see him in LA would be so crappy. At the same time Deng and Kobe would tear up the East for the next 5 years at least.</div>Whats the point of getting Kobe without keeping Deng? Do I even need to explain that? :no3: Maybe because he is a player who can score 81 points in a single game,maybe because he is the best sg since a little known Bulls SG named MJ(who happened to win us 6 titles) or maybe it's the fact that Kobe has been a proven winner his entire career and lately hasnt had a great team(which if he were to come to the bulls, that would no longer be a problem for him)Without Kobe we are a 50 win team and second best in the east. With Kobe I can easily see us winning multiple championships, I even think Gordon could now play PG much more efficiently then when he was forced to as a rookie and constantly turned the ball over. Gordons handling skills rival with some of the best now and I could easily see him in a rotation with Kobe in the backcourt averaging 20/7 even next year. There are so many reasons why we would benefit from getting Kobe I cant believe you even asked. Deng is a great young player dont get me wrong but on his best day he isnt half the player Kobe is. Just look at how this team would look for a moment if you have further doubts.PG-Gordon/DuhonSG-Bryant/TheboSF-NocioniPF-ThomasC-Ben Wallacewe can also add some veteran help at PF this offseason(which I believe if im correct PJ Brown will be leaving or retiring)That team will be in the finals for many years to come(and win a good % I believe)Of course everything is speculation right now.
Wow I certainly didn't expect this one.All the years with the Lakers are pretty much done now.It'll be interesting to see where he goes.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ May 30 2007, 10:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Guys, note that Kobe has a no-trade clause and a trade kicker in his contract... so he gets a pay raise and also has the right to veto any trade involving him (thanks to Pesty for notifying me of that one). Then also take into account that when he was a free agent, he strongly considered Chicago. He said he went as far as checking out local schools for his kid. This will be REAL interesting.</div>According to ESPN he lost his no-trade clause by requesting a trade.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ May 30 2007, 05:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>PG-Gordon/DuhonSG-Bryant/TheboSF-NocioniPF-ThomasC-Ben Wallacewe can also add some veteran help at PF this offseason(which I believe if im correct PJ Brown will be leaving or retiring)That team will be in the finals for many years to come(and win a good % I believe)Of course everything is speculation right now.</div>Gordon and Bryant are too similar. You'd be better off keeping Deng, but I'd do the trade either way. Also I'd move Kobe to SF and start Duhon and Gordon in the backcourt.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ May 30 2007, 03:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ford, Peterson, Rasho and Humphries, ?? see the things is, I know its like unlikely for it to happen, but I KNOW FOR A FACT colangelo will inquire about this, its just his nature,.</div>Yeah he will, but I doubt we even have a chance...I wouldn't mind having Kobe just like pretty much everybody else, but that means we have to give some of our great players, which I don't want.Anyway, this is huge. I hope he comes to the East. That would be crazy. The west get Oden and Durant, we'll get Kobe. Hope he gets traded. I want to see him in the Finals next year.any news on whether or not he's getting traded?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Living_Legend33 @ May 30 2007, 05:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Gordon and Bryant are too similar. You'd be better off keeping Deng, but I'd do the trade either way. Also I'd move Kobe to SF and start Duhon and Gordon in the backcourt.</div>Gordon and Bryant are similiar in that they are Black and good shooters. That's about it. Deng is more similiar to Bryant if anything. Gordon is more of a spark type player. He reminds me of a Kevin Johnson type player(who hasnt quite refined his passing ability yet) Having that to compliment Kobe and I think they could fit very well(also I believe Kobe would ease Gordon into the backcourt a lot easier than with Hinrich, since he would take alot of the attention)Also Nocioni is much better utilized at SF then Bryant. He is not only the best man defender on the team but he can get the boards and brings hustle(ideally what you want in your sf) So I see no reason why we would move Kobe out of his preferred position which he has excelled at.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ May 30 2007, 11:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, they don't like him NOW. That's what a f*cking hate about Laker fans (don't take offense guys). They are absolutely in love with the guy one day, and then they act like "I hate that ***hole." That's absolutely ridiculous, and I know it's gonna happen. All these Laker fans will all of the sudden hate Kobe, act like they never really liked him that much, and they'll go off saying all these negative things about it. "He's stubborn, he's an ***hole, he's this and that."</div>Are you kidding me? I f*cking hate Kobe right now. I am not going to act like I never liked him. I have been on the guy's dick for years. Now this....I just want to tear every poster off in my room and I just really don't like Kobe right now. He turned his back on the organization and the Laker fans. F*ck him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ May 30 2007, 06:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Gordon and Bryant are similiar in that they are Black and good shooters. That's about it. Deng is more similiar to Bryant if anything. Gordon is more of a spark type player. He reminds me of a Kevin Johnson type player(who hasnt quite refined his passing ability yet) Having that to compliment Kobe and I think they could fit very well(also I believe Kobe would ease Gordon into the backcourt a lot easier than with Hinrich, since he would take alot of the attention)Also Nocioni is much better utilized at SF then Bryant. He is not only the best man defender on the team but he can get the boards and brings hustle(ideally what you want in your sf) So I see no reason why we would move Kobe out of his preferred position which he has excelled at.</div>Gordon is a shoot-first player and not a true PG. Is that the guy you want playing alongside the best scorer in the league? Duhon is a prototypical PG and will have no problem getting Bryant the ball.I'd prefer to have Bryant at SG too, which is why the Bulls should keep Deng, but if you're going to start Gordon it can't be at PG. It'd be like recreating the Francis-Mobley backcourt but with better players. Duhon needs to start at point since Hinrich will be going to LA.
