Exclusive 2019 Trade Deadline Thread

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  1. Hoopguru

    Hoopguru Well-Known Member

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    My motor bones have spoken:
    Turner & Leonard for Harrison Barnes
     
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    Report: Portland buyer at trade deadline, first-round pick “in play”

    The Portland Trail Blazers are good: Damian Lillard is having another All-NBA level season, C.J. McCollum is a high-quality scorer, and Jusuf Nurkic has stepped up his game of late. At 32-20, Portland would have home court in the first round of the playoffs if they started today.

    But are the Blazers a real playoff threat? When teams start trapping Lillard and McCollum, can Portland counter and make teams pay?

    The questions about them in the playoffs has the Blazers as potential buyers at the trade deadline, reports Zach Lowe of ESPN.
    Portland stands a potential buyer — an under-the-radar really good team with questions about its postseason viability. The Trail Blazers have put their first-round pick in play, per sources around the league. They have investigated Porter’s availability. Taurean Prince makes some sense; he’s up for an extension this summer, and the Hawks have made him available, sources say. As a free agent non-destination, the Blazers value players whose rights they can control.

    But the Hawks are asking a lot so far — a young player and a pick — and haven’t gotten much traction on Prince trades, sources say.

    Another off-the-beaten path name from Orlando: Evan Fournier — a wing who could give Portland or some other team some shooting and playmaking. He has two years and $34 million left on his contract; if the Magic aren’t thrilled with that deal, they could suss out his value.

    The problem is Portland is already $7.9 million into the luxury tax this season and are poised to be a tax payer again next season — they also want to move off salary. To improve a team and lower the tax bill (by sending out bad contracts) comes at a high cost, and a first-round pick alone is not enough.

    The challenge at the trade deadline this season is there are a lot more buyers than sellers, which dampens the market. While the buzz focuses around possible Anthony Davis and Mike Conley trades, there will be smaller deals that get done, maybe just not that many of them this year. But the Trail Blazers are one team that could pull a trade off, keep an eye on them.

    https://nba.nbcsports.com/2019/02/0...d-pick-in-play/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
     
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    Biggest winner of the NY/DAL trade is Atlanta since Atlanta gets Dallas 1st round pick this year. If Dallas continues to suck, Atlanta could end up with two Top 10 picks.
     
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    I don't know about all that as it sure requires a lot of assumptions to be true

    but maybe I'm operating under an assumption that may, or may not be true myself. I know there are at least a couple of accountant/financial-planners posting here who may be able to disabuse me of some faulty assumptions I may have:

    Paul Allen had a huge estate at the time of his death...over 20B. Even though he was heavy into non-profits and had supposedly pledged to give away a substantial portion of his wealth, there will still be a substantial portion going to his heirs, including the Seahawks and Blazers. The Seahawks are worth around 2.6-2.8B. The Blazers are worth around 1.3B and I don't believe that includes the Moda Center which is a separate entity, although I may have that wrong. So that's at least 4B, maybe quite a bit more, for the sports franchises....

    ....what will the estate taxes be on just those sports franchises? on 4 billion? The top rate is 40% but obviously, much of it would be taxed at a lower rate. I know there are plenty of loopholes, but even if they could get the total tax on the sports teams down to 15%, that's still at least 600M. Where is that cash going to come from? Jody Allen has said she wants to keep the Seahawks and that she will continue to run the Vulcan group. I'm assuming the Vulcan Group carries non-sports assets on it's books that might be worth a few billion more.

    but if eventually, there is an estate tax bill approaching 1 billion and she has little interest in running the Blazers or owning it, the solution sure seems to be to raise the needed tax cash by selling the least favorite sports team

    now maybe, they've done such masterful financial planning that I'm significantly over-estimating the estate tax. But that's why I'm asking this as a question
     
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    it's protected for picks 1-5 so you can bet the Mavericks will be really pulling for a long-shot result in the lottery

    right now, Dallas has about a 10% chance to land in the top-4. But they are only 2.5 games behind Orlando which has a 32% chance at top-4; and 4 games behind Memphis which has a 37% chance

    I'd anticipate Dallas 'suffering' a lot of minor injuries the rest of the way
     
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    Super dumb followed with a 0% probability.
     
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    Yes, I think Dallas should be like no. 8 or so this year. That will be big coup for Atlanta.

    I also want Atlanta to get Zion. They are the sort of tanking team I can get behind. Had a good team, did not win, tried to get an alpha type star but instead saw Horford leave for Boston but they still have it another season with Millsap leading before dismantling the team. Now they are trying to rebuild and have some fun players in Trae, Huerter and Collins. Zion would fit in there.

    Chicago, Knicks, Suns are just terribly run franchises who don’t deserve top talent, Cleveland have had way too many lottery luck.
     
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    23-28 now with 31 games to go... if they pull Doncic out of the team with ‘injury’ within the next 5 they will probably finish the season 7-24 or worse.
     
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    Fournier would be such a terrible acquisition, please don’t go there. His contract runs until 2021 so even if we trade our bad deals for him we are still doing bad business here.
     
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    Im thinking Dallas is wanting to shore up the 5, and a wing defender/ball handler.
    The Mav's aren't done, and Barnes needs a change of scenery. Neil's working on it as I type.
     
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    Are we past the deadline yet?
     
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    I'm sure Dallas would love a top-5 pick this year, but the longer the pick to Atlanta isn't conveyed it kind of messes with not being able to trade any future picks so it might be okay with them to just get it out of the way too.
     
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    I agree thats why I don't think they are done re-engineering the team with another trade.
     
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    Fournier is a rock solid player but i do not think the Blazers need a hybrid SG/ SF they need a true SF who might be able to play a touch of the 4 in some match ups. I have nothing against Fournier but he reminds me of a slightly better version of Arron Afflalo. Only way this deal MIGHT make some sense is if Turner is going in the deal cause they are similar type players cept Fournier i believe is better so MAYBE if its Turner but both on the Blazers -- no thanks.
     
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    I don't have any inside information at all, but I'd be pretty surprised if Paul didn't have a lot of cash and things easily convertible to cash (stocks, gold, slave women) that could be used to pay any taxes on the hard assets.

    barfo
     
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    They've already traded 21 and 23 firsts, though, right? So already severely limited.
     
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    Yes, 2025 is the earliest first they will be able to trade even if they give Atlanta their pick this year and nobody will really give much value for 2025 picks for at least two or three more years.
     
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    Yes, but what I'm saying is that if they don't convey the pick to Atlanta this year then they owe them a 2020 1st (also top 5 protected next year) so then the Knicks 2021 1st gets pushed to 2022 at the earliest and the other one to 2024.
     
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    I wouldn't be surprised if Portland's 'move' is something like Thon(g) Maker.
     
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    Steph curry on the trading block! Kerr is sick of him!
     
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