Re: This is the Nets' chance to return to the Finals.... Well, to get to the point, if Kobe is 100% positive that he wants to be traded, then the Nets have as good of a chance as anybody to get Kobe IMO. How would this get done? Sign and trade with VC, whose contract will be roughly where Kobe's is. Add in a role player, a draft pick or 2, and IMO this is a great trade for both team. The Nets get a big upgrade from VC as we would now have a HUGE upgrade in consistency, 4th quarter play, and defense. And of course Kobe is also the best scorer we have seen since MJ. Lakers get a guy who will keep them from being at the very bottom of the league, he will sell tickets, and they get a draft pick and role player out of it as well.This is the best chance for Kidd ever to get a ring, and the Nets to win one before moving to Brooklyn. Kobe would definately be open to playing with Kidd, RJ, Krstic, and the Nets, who despite playing injured in playoffs and VC being horrible in 2nd round, got within 2 wins of the ECF.
Re: This is the Nets' chance to return to the Finals.... Maybe throwing in Marcus Williams would make the trade more attractive. They get a young, good PG that they need. People thought that Kobe and Kidd would be together in February playing for the lakers, hell it might still happen but the other way around. I think Kobe would like this trade also too. He is playing with a very good surrounding group that involves Kidd, and who doesn't want to play with Kidd? It also puts him by where he grew up, PA.
Re: This is the Nets' chance to return to the Finals.... We still would lack to post play that has beaten the Lakers with Kobe Bryant so I doubt it would make a difference.Plus we don't need no Lindsay Lohan wannabe in here. :closedeyes:
Re: This is the Nets' chance to return to the Finals.... <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ May 30 2007, 06:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>We still would lack to post play that has beaten the Lakers with Kobe Bryant so I doubt it would make a difference.Plus we don't need no Lindsay Lohan wannabe in here. :closedeyes:</div>We didn't have Krstic this year...with Krstic back next year we will have a guy who was at about 16PPG this season before his injury. Hell, if Carter hadn't missed his FT's down the stretch of game 4 or had only like 11pts in game 6, it would have likely been our series to win against Cleveland. And that is without Kobe, Krstic, etc... Kobe improves all of the major areas the Nets need aside from another big man but the best player in the league more than makes up for that.
Re: This is the Nets' chance to return to the Finals.... Man if you guys get Kobe, it'll take away our chances of getting the division title next year. I know you got a chance like anybody else, but I doubt he'll come to the Nets. There are other teams that have better offers than VC, and a couple of draft picks.
Re: This is the Nets' chance to return to the Finals.... <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (_Raptors_ @ May 30 2007, 07:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Man if you guys get Kobe, it'll take away our chances of getting the division title next year. I know you got a chance like anybody else, but I doubt he'll come to the Nets. There are other teams that have better offers than VC, and a couple of draft picks.</div>Like? I am pretty sure Kobe would prefer the Nets over a Gordon/Hinrich-less Bulls, and the Lakers will sell more tickets with VC/Williams over getting Hinrich/Gordon.
Re: This is the Nets' chance to return to the Finals.... Well the Lakers will sell tickets, but I doubt they'll win games. I'm not saying it would be a bad deal, I just doubt it will happen, but that's just me.
Re: This is the Nets' chance to return to the Finals.... They won't win as many games no matter who they go after. No one in the league can carry a team like Kobe has the past 2 years. BUT, Carter and Williams will initially fill the void better than Hinrich/Gordon, and they will also be easier to advertise and sell tickets for.
Re: This is the Nets' chance to return to the Finals.... The nets wont get Kobe, they really dont have enough to bait him out and still remain a good team. The Lakers might consider if Jason Kidd was apart of the deal but without him I doubt it. The Nets first final appearance was a fluke anyway, The east that year was at an alltime low. Any team in the eastern playoffs could have made it to the finals and got swept.
Re: This is the Nets' chance to return to the Finals.... <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ May 30 2007, 09:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The nets wont get Kobe, they really dont have enough to bait him out and still remain a good team. The Lakers might consider if Jason Kidd was apart of the deal but without him I doubt it. The Nets first final appearance was a fluke anyway, The east that year was at an alltime low. Any team in the eastern playoffs could have made it to the finals and got swept.</div>What about the second one if the first one was "Just a fluke".
Re: This is the Nets' chance to return to the Finals.... <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ May 30 2007, 08:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The nets wont get Kobe, they really dont have enough to bait him out and still remain a good team. The Lakers might consider if Jason Kidd was apart of the deal but without him I doubt it.</div>What team has more trade bait than NJ? As I explained before, VC/Williams/draft pick is a great option for both teams, and NJ will provide a better team than teams like the Bulls, Magic, Bobcats, etc... <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The Nets first final appearance was a fluke anyway, The east that year was at an alltime low. Any team in the eastern playoffs could have made it to the finals and got swept.</div>This is irrelevent. Without Kobe, the Nets are a 50+ win team when healthy and should have beat Cleveland this year. Kobe wouldn't have absolutely sucked and choked like VC did, which lost the series. Next year with Krstic back, and the addition of Kobe, this team will be back in the Finals and have a good shot to win it all.
Re: This is the Nets' chance to return to the Finals.... <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Sign and trade with VC, whose contract will be roughly where Kobe's is.</div>Is VC getting a max deal? I just don't see it.
Re: This is the Nets' chance to return to the Finals.... <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ May 30 2007, 09:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Is VC getting a max deal? I just don't see it.</div>VC will be asking for up to $20 million a year from what I here. Kobe is earning about $18 million a year if I am correct.
Re: This is the Nets' chance to return to the Finals.... <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>VC will be asking for up to $20 million a year from what I here. Kobe is earning about $18 million a year if I am correct.</div>Damn, that sucks for whoever shells out that contract(if a team does).
Re: This is the Nets' chance to return to the Finals.... The Lakers are building for the longterm. Why the hell would they want someone with a max contract who can't lead a team and is 2 years older then Kobe?
Re: This is the Nets' chance to return to the Finals.... <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ChuckTheD @ May 30 2007, 10:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Lakers are building for the longterm. Why the hell would they want someone with a max contract who can't lead a team and is 2 years older then Kobe?</div>Because he is a franchise type player and you guys won't be at the very bottom of the NBA. If you go for, say, Hinrich/Gordon, you WILL be at the bottom of the league and they won't be selling tickets like VC will. You also get a nice PG in Marcus Williams, and a draft pick. In another year with maybe a FA signing or trade(s), you could very well be back in the playoffs.
Re: This is the Nets' chance to return to the Finals.... I would take Hinrich/Gordon or Hinrich/Deng any day over VC/Williams.
Re: This is the Nets' chance to return to the Finals.... <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I would take Hinrich/Gordon or Hinrich/Deng any day over VC/Williams.</div>Agree. For a team to even think of paying VC that much is ridiculous. Despite that being his asking price, he won't get it imo. And be pretty dumb for Lakers to even sign that kind of deal. They'll just be mediocre and with little flexibility. With Hinrich/Gordon, there is flexibility.
Re: This is the Nets' chance to return to the Finals.... <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ May 30 2007, 11:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Agree. For a team to even think of paying VC that much is ridiculous. Despite that being his asking price, he won't get it imo. And be pretty dumb for Lakers to even sign that kind of deal. They'll just be mediocre and with little flexibility. With Hinrich/Gordon, there is flexibility.</div>I agree with this, but I think that the Lakers are too proud of a franchise to be one of the 3-4 worst teams in the league...which is what they will be if they go the Bulls route. With VC they get a proven 25/6/5 guy who sells out arenas and will keep them competitive. Marcus Williams has also shown a lot of promise, and they get a draft pick out of it as well.
Re: This is the Nets' chance to return to the Finals.... <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Like? I am pretty sure Kobe would prefer the Nets over a Gordon/Hinrich-less Bulls, and the Lakers will sell more tickets with VC/Williams over getting Hinrich/Gordon.</div>He would rather play in the city of Jordan than the city that can't sell out games. Maybe he would consider it when we move to Brooklyn.
