<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Jun 1 2007, 02:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No, no team has even a decent shot against the Spurs. For the Cavs, the Spurs are a much better defensive team than the Pistons and while Bron may go off, he won't go 48pts and 29 of last 30 off. Cavs simply don't have the role players, consistency, or offense to beat a team like the Spurs. Bron will need to do more than what Wade did last year in games 2-6 to beat this Spurs team.As for the Pistons, absolutely no shot. Even slimmer than the Cavs. Defense isn't what it used to be, Duncan will murder them without Big Ben, and offense isn't up to par with other Spurs' victims (Nuggets, Suns, and Jazz all have superior offenses).But, as we saw last year with Heat and Mavs... anything is possible.</div><span style="font-family:Courier New">Thank you. He said everything I said and more, now what are you going to say austin? Edit:Sorry for the double post, didn't mean it.</span>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ May 31 2007, 11:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yes, they have been since the Amare-Diaw suspension. It sucks reading about the playoffs because every round it's just gotten easier and easier. What a wasted opportunity for the Suns.Now if the Cavs win the NBA might actually get decent ratings and there will be no intimidating Detroit fans to keep the refs from giving the championship away. I can just see it now. Game 1, LeBron takes a jumper in the 1st quarter, Bowen puts his foot under him, LeBron breaks his ankle and is out for the series, Bowen gets a flagrant foul a day later and the Spurs sweep. :brickwall: Thank goodness the Diamondbacks are tied for first place in their division. A good distraction.</div>I'm so damn bitter. :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jkidd51524 @ Jun 1 2007, 01:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-family:Courier New">Okay, so again your saying they are experienced and have been through a lot together. You have said that three times now, we get that. But that makes no difference because right now they are going up against a team with much less experience and they are losing the series. So obviously something is not right there. I did watch the game tonight, and I saw a team that could not contain a player. Your saying they are going to be able to contain Parker, Manu and Duncan? I don't think so. Again, I really don't think this series is going to happen anyway.</span></div>First off, I said nobody can contain Duncan from the get-go. Secondly, Billups can do just as good job as anybody on containing Parker as much as they can. And Rip has a very underrated defense and can almost always be in front of his opponent. But you have to look at it like this also, can Parker contain Billups? Can Manu contain Rip? Tayshaun can go off at any moment, Tim Duncan and Bowen are both excellent defenders, but they can only contain one player at a time. The Pistons entire starting 5 are all capable of shooting up 25points. Im not saying San Antonio isnt the better team cause obviously they are, but Im not buying the fact the Pistons cant take them to the limit.And who in the world do you think can contain LeBron tonight? Nobody, LeBron simply elavated his game to the point where nobody can hold him. And im not saying the Cavs will take them to a game 7, cause I doubt it..but with a player like LeBron you can NEVER count the Cavs.We just gotta see how the Finals turn out, cause no matter what anybody says, you cant convince me the Pistons cant take the Spurs on to game 7
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Jun 1 2007, 02:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm so damn bitter. :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall:</div><span style="font-family:Courier New">I was so pissed when all that crap happened, and I'm not even a Suns fan. I can't imagine what a die hard Suns fan like you must fell like. </span>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz @ Jun 1 2007, 02:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>First off, I said nobody can contain Duncan from the get-go. Secondly, Billups can do just as good job as anybody on containing Parker as much as they can. And Rip has a very underrated defense and can almost always be in front of his opponent. But you have to look at it like this also, can Parker contain Billups? Can Manu contain Rip? Tayshaun can go off at any moment, Tim Duncan and Bowen are both excellent defenders, but they can only contain one player at a time. The Pistons entire starting 5 are all capable of shooting up 25points. Im not saying San Antonio isnt the better team cause obviously they are, but Im not buying the fact the Pistons cant take them to the limit.And who in the world do you think can contain LeBron tonight? Nobody, LeBron simply elavated his game to the point where nobody can hold him. And im not saying the Cavs will take them to a game 7, cause I doubt it..but with a player like LeBron you can NEVER count the Cavs.</div><span style="font-family:Courier New">I would not be praising the Pistons defense after what happened tonight. I am telling you LeBron would have never done this if he was playing the Spurs. Popovich would have made adjustments and make LeBron pass the ball. Tim Duncan would cover Rasheed and Bowen on Rip. Now the two top scorers for the pistons are going to have to really work on offense to score. You really think Billups would be able to carry this team and score like crazy to bring a victory to his team? No, he isn't capable of that. If the Pistons players are going to spend that much energy on offense, how are they going to play good defense? Their defense just isn't the same, and you don't seem to get that. And I am pretty sure you meant count the Cavs out, right?Edit: I did it again lol, sorry.</span>
Yeah, lol, count out that cavs.But Duncan on Rasheed and Bowen on Rip isnt what its going to be. It will most likely start out like that, but if Billups gets off you will most likely see Bowen on him. If Webber gets hot Duncan will probably be on him. The if you have Webber AND Sheed, or Billups AND Hamilton hot, you have a problem. Granted Finley and and Oberto are solid defenders who can come in, im not sure they will be able to contain them. And your forgeting a major player in Tayshaun Prince. Alotve times you see him get on the block and score in the post, if this happens you will either see Bowen or Duncan covering him, meaning Prince(a good passer) will have the opputunity to make a pass to the open man for them to create. I just think your underrating the Pistons and what they can do.San Antonio probably couldve done a better job on LeBron, but we dont know how much of a better job. Bron wouldve probably still had a incredible game and considering it wouldve been an entirely different type of game, we dont know who wouldve benefited and played better against San Antonio rather than the Pistons.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz @ Jun 1 2007, 02:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, lol, count out that cavs.But Duncan on Rasheed and Bowen on Rip isnt what its going to be. It will most likely start out like that, but if Billups gets off you will most likely see Bowen on him. If Webber gets hot Duncan will probably be on him. The if you have Webber AND Sheed, or Billups AND Hamilton hot, you have a problem. Granted Finley and and Oberto are solid defenders who can come in, im not sure they will be able to contain them. And your forgeting a major player in Tayshaun Prince. Alotve times you see him get on the block and score in the post, if this happens you will either see Bowen or Duncan covering him, meaning Prince(a good passer) will have the opputunity to make a pass to the open man for them to create. I just think your underrating the Pistons and what they can do.San Antonio probably couldve done a better job on LeBron, but we dont know how much of a better job. Bron wouldve probably still had a incredible game and considering it wouldve been an entirely different type of game, we dont know who wouldve benefited and played better against San Antonio rather than the Pistons.</div><span style="font-family:Courier New">Well if all those things happened and those people actually scored like that, they wouldn't be down 3-2 to the Cavs right now would they? No, not all of them are suddenly going to get hot at the same time like you suggested above. Duncan would never cover Prince, he is way to quick for him. Your overrating the Pistons. Your focusing on all the positive things that they could do, but thier not.</span>
Thats your opinion. Btw, the Pistons havent been playing well regardless who they are playing. I have a feeling you will see a very much more focused and more efficient executing team in the next game. And realisticly, LeBron was completely amazing tonight. This is one of those games where it wasnt the better team that won...but the team with the better player.Obviously we're not going to agree, just gotta see how the Finals pans out.
I'm going to be honest. I don't care and wouldn't be surprised if SA beat Cleveland or Detroit 4-0. I think it would be worth it for the chance that the Cavs might beat the Spurs. That would be legendary.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz @ Jun 1 2007, 12:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Not to mention Cleveland matches up pretty nice against San Antonio</div>How? Drew Gooden, Daniel Gibson, and Sasha Pavlovic match-up well with Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili?
It's pretty close to it unless Stern gives LeBron the title. As for the players stepping up for the Cavs, Spurs have just as many doing the same like Oberto and Finley.Theres a difference between wanting to win and knowing how the win.
I really dont think the Pistons will make it the finals. All season I heard Detroit say ''we dont need ben wallace'' but I assure you if ben wallace was down low, Lebron wouldnt have gotten all those easy dunks that tied the game like 5 times so it may just come back to haunt them. I really cant see the Cavs beating the Spurs but I said the same thing about the cavs vs pistons so who knows?I'd also like to say how bad flip saunders has been doing coaching in the playoffs. I gurantee with Larry Brown gameplanning the defense they dont leave lebron half as open as they did and in no way let him score nearly 30 straight points.
LeBron can pull more than a DWade vs the Spurs if he beats detroit like he has-mostly alone, clutch...the Spurs would play well though, they have so many weapons with finley, bowen, manu, horry, elson, barry, udrih along with little p and big timmy (if I am the first person to say that I call dibbs on making it a childrens book if the Spurs win it all again :biggrin: )they have the experience to pull it out, and I think the Cavs who are already at less than a quarter tank with the Spurs resting wouldnt have enough gas to pull an upset...I dont even think detroit is a good matchup with the spurs, even though they have a little bit of justice to serve the Spurs because of their 05 finals loss, they needed the rest and made bad turnovers in games 3 and 4 and lost a lot of rest by losing them. whoever wins the ECF, the spurs will still have the rest to give them the advantage. the Cavs will have 4 days if they close it out, but both teams will have only one day to rest if they go to game 7.so yes, with a tainted semi-finals vs. phoenix, and an easy series vs. utah and denver, and possibly a blowout against the Cavs or another good series with detroit(for pistons sake!) they will probably and realisticly bring it home once again..
I dont see the Spurs letting Lebron EVER score 30 straight points, not if Bruce Bowen has anything to do with it. They'd have Robert Horry and Bruce Bowen jump lebron during the game before he scores 30 straight on the spurs like he did the pistons last night. The Spurs just execute their defense much better gameplan wise then the pistons do. Under Larry Brown that was another story though.
youre right..given the chance, san antonio is most likely tp play a good trap defense mixed with some zone and some double teams on Bron...TimmyD/Elson can take care of the Cavs frontline and the front court and bench would dominate anything the cavs throw at them...LeBron is their only chance of winning one game
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CavsRules @ Jun 1 2007, 05:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Cleveland may be 2-0 against them this year, but thats the normal season.</div>Sounds like everyone before the Mavs v GS series.
This topic is stupid, I didn't bother reading through the 3 pages, I'm just going make my point. Teams play the games for a reason, I mean Mavericks should have gone further right? Spurs already champs, nope until they win it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Jun 1 2007, 11:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This topic is stupid, I didn't bother reading through the 3 pages, I'm just going make my point. Teams play the games for a reason, I mean Mavericks should have gone further right? Spurs already champs, nope until they win it.</div><span style="font-family:Courier New">Umm yeah thats not what the topic is about. Its about the server disadvantages the Cavs and Pistons have and how good the Spurs are playing right now. How could you say a topic is stupid just by looking at the title? And I guess it can't be that stupid if it gets 3 pages of replies.</span>
The Pistons could beat them. Cavs would have to have some players to step up, but they could make it a close series.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Umm yeah thats not what the topic is about. Its about the server disadvantages the Cavs and Pistons have and how good the Spurs are playing right now. How could you say a topic is stupid just by looking at the title? And I guess it can't be that stupid if it gets 3 pages of replies.</div>The whole point of the topic is stupid Jkidd. Yes the Spurs are playing well and from a standpoint, you would think they would be champions with a Finals opponent of Detroit or Cleveland. But that's where it ends, they still have to play the series and win it. And the topic title should have something to do with the topic. I mean come on.
