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Let's start with a guy who's been in and out of mental institutions all his life...

Roger Waters: From Pink Floyd Icon to Nicolas Maduro Puppet
Pink Floyd singer Roger Waters has emerged as a leading supporter of Venezuelan dictator Nicolas Maduro.

By
Q24N

Pink Floyd frontman Roger Waters has been making headlines this week in an unlikely region of the world: the Andean region. Is he going to be swinging through Quito, Bogota, Lima, Caracas, and LaPaz for a tour, you ask?

roger-waters-richard-branson-web-590x340.jpg

Roger Waters is furious that Richard Branson is sponsoring a concert in Cucuta, in opposition to Maduro’s Venezuelan dictatorship (Futuro).
Hardly. (Although given his affinity for Nicolas Maduro, a “concert for the dictatorship” wouldn’t be out of the question).

Rather, it’s his expertise as a geopolitical commentator, rather than his musical stylings, that have been making headlines.

Waters is outraged…outraged, that his countryman Richard Branson is sponsoring a “Live-Aid-ish” type event in the city of Cucuta, on the Colombo-Venezuelan border, a place that has become the focal point for the Venezuelan humanitarian crisis.

Waters sees Branson as an unwitting pawn of the “Evil Empire”: the United States, which, of course, just wants to steal all of Venezuela’s oil. (He apparently believes that Russia and China have no interest in Venezuela oil, and is blissfully unaware that the United States has been buying the lion’s share of Venezuelan oil for decades already…”buying” on the global market is now “stealing” according to Waters).

For Waters, here is the rub. Branson’s ambitious goal of raising USD$100 million for sick and hungry Venezuelan refugees has nothing to do with humanitarian aid, but rather with the planned United States “takeover” of Venezuela.

Not exactly. The United States is not interested in “taking over” Venezuela, any more than it is interested in “taking over” Mexico, Chile, Peru or any of our other close allies in the region.

And waters really gets steamed up about democracy…according to him, Venezuela has a spectacular and “real” democracy.

This is beyond laughable. The overwhelming majority of the Venezuelan people stand with the opposition and the National Assembly, which won a two-thirds supermajority the last time free and fair elections were held.

If imprisoning, torturing, and banning opposition politicians from running in elections constitutes a “real democracy”…then Venezuela would undoubtedly have one of the “most real democracies” in the world.

Waters argues that Branson’s event has nothing to do with the needs of the Venezuelan people. Enlighten us, Roger.

I suppose those three million people who have fled Venezuela left because they just wanted a change of scenery, right?


I suppose that the 500,000 Venezuelans now residing in Peru are there because they had always wanted to do the full tour of Machu Picchu and enjoy some world-class ceviche? I suppose the streets of every major Colombian city are packed with Venezuelans because of the world-class healthcare and education that was promised by brother Maduro and friends?


It’s amazing how they have billions for their palaces, mansions, private jets, and overseas bank accounts, but don’t seem to be able to find money for food and medicine for the working class people they claim to champion.

Roger Waters may be a musical genius, but he is an all-around fool if he buys hook, line, and sinker, the entirely false narrative put forth by the socialist dictatorship of Nicolas Maduro. This is a prime example of what happens when you allow your ideology, your extreme political bias, to cloud your judgment.

Peter Gabriel, call me!

Waters seems most concerned that his fellow British pop icon Peter Gabriel is slated to perform at the event.

He begs the former Genesis singer and world famous solo artist to give him a call, so Waters (noted political commentator and observer of the Andean region) can set his friend straight.

Because of course, a concert to raise USD $100 million for hungry and starving Venezuelan refugees would very likely lead us into another Iraq.

This is one of the worst analogies of all. Iraq was a disaster because it led to the United States refereeing a long-simmering sectarian and inter-ethnic conflict featuring Sunni, Shia, Kurds, and others, all forced to live together due to badly-drawn colonial borders that were imposed by the British. The Iraqi people did, briefly, rise up and celebrate the demise of a brutal dictator, but rather than clamor for freedom, they soon turned to perpetuating a bloody conflict largely rooted in Islamic jurisprudence.

Venezuela is an entirely different can of worms. Maduro has virtually no popular support. In an actual free and fair election, he would be hard pressed to get 10% of the vote. And that is being generous.


None of this matters to Waters. He is so far removed from reality that he believes Venezuela is Switzerland.


Source: Panampost.com

http://qcostarica.com/roger-waters-from-pink-floyd-icon-to-nicolas-maduro-puppet/
 
Let's start with a guy who's been in and out of mental institutions all his life...

Roger Waters: From Pink Floyd Icon to Nicolas Maduro Puppet
Pink Floyd singer Roger Waters has emerged as a leading supporter of Venezuelan dictator Nicolas Maduro.

By
Q24N

Pink Floyd frontman Roger Waters has been making headlines this week in an unlikely region of the world: the Andean region. Is he going to be swinging through Quito, Bogota, Lima, Caracas, and LaPaz for a tour, you ask?

roger-waters-richard-branson-web-590x340.jpg

Roger Waters is furious that Richard Branson is sponsoring a concert in Cucuta, in opposition to Maduro’s Venezuelan dictatorship (Futuro).
Hardly. (Although given his affinity for Nicolas Maduro, a “concert for the dictatorship” wouldn’t be out of the question).

Rather, it’s his expertise as a geopolitical commentator, rather than his musical stylings, that have been making headlines.

Waters is outraged…outraged, that his countryman Richard Branson is sponsoring a “Live-Aid-ish” type event in the city of Cucuta, on the Colombo-Venezuelan border, a place that has become the focal point for the Venezuelan humanitarian crisis.

Waters sees Branson as an unwitting pawn of the “Evil Empire”: the United States, which, of course, just wants to steal all of Venezuela’s oil. (He apparently believes that Russia and China have no interest in Venezuela oil, and is blissfully unaware that the United States has been buying the lion’s share of Venezuelan oil for decades already…”buying” on the global market is now “stealing” according to Waters).

For Waters, here is the rub. Branson’s ambitious goal of raising USD$100 million for sick and hungry Venezuelan refugees has nothing to do with humanitarian aid, but rather with the planned United States “takeover” of Venezuela.

Not exactly. The United States is not interested in “taking over” Venezuela, any more than it is interested in “taking over” Mexico, Chile, Peru or any of our other close allies in the region.

And waters really gets steamed up about democracy…according to him, Venezuela has a spectacular and “real” democracy.

This is beyond laughable. The overwhelming majority of the Venezuelan people stand with the opposition and the National Assembly, which won a two-thirds supermajority the last time free and fair elections were held.

If imprisoning, torturing, and banning opposition politicians from running in elections constitutes a “real democracy”…then Venezuela would undoubtedly have one of the “most real democracies” in the world.

Waters argues that Branson’s event has nothing to do with the needs of the Venezuelan people. Enlighten us, Roger.

I suppose those three million people who have fled Venezuela left because they just wanted a change of scenery, right?


I suppose that the 500,000 Venezuelans now residing in Peru are there because they had always wanted to do the full tour of Machu Picchu and enjoy some world-class ceviche? I suppose the streets of every major Colombian city are packed with Venezuelans because of the world-class healthcare and education that was promised by brother Maduro and friends?


It’s amazing how they have billions for their palaces, mansions, private jets, and overseas bank accounts, but don’t seem to be able to find money for food and medicine for the working class people they claim to champion.

Roger Waters may be a musical genius, but he is an all-around fool if he buys hook, line, and sinker, the entirely false narrative put forth by the socialist dictatorship of Nicolas Maduro. This is a prime example of what happens when you allow your ideology, your extreme political bias, to cloud your judgment.

Peter Gabriel, call me!

Waters seems most concerned that his fellow British pop icon Peter Gabriel is slated to perform at the event.

He begs the former Genesis singer and world famous solo artist to give him a call, so Waters (noted political commentator and observer of the Andean region) can set his friend straight.

Because of course, a concert to raise USD $100 million for hungry and starving Venezuelan refugees would very likely lead us into another Iraq.

This is one of the worst analogies of all. Iraq was a disaster because it led to the United States refereeing a long-simmering sectarian and inter-ethnic conflict featuring Sunni, Shia, Kurds, and others, all forced to live together due to badly-drawn colonial borders that were imposed by the British. The Iraqi people did, briefly, rise up and celebrate the demise of a brutal dictator, but rather than clamor for freedom, they soon turned to perpetuating a bloody conflict largely rooted in Islamic jurisprudence.

Venezuela is an entirely different can of worms. Maduro has virtually no popular support. In an actual free and fair election, he would be hard pressed to get 10% of the vote. And that is being generous.


None of this matters to Waters. He is so far removed from reality that he believes Venezuela is Switzerland.


Source: Panampost.com

http://qcostarica.com/roger-waters-from-pink-floyd-icon-to-nicolas-maduro-puppet/
Personally, I listen to rock stars for their rock music.
I take celebrities who express opinions on political matters for the most part with a grain of salt.
I wouldn't get too worked up about Mr. Waters if I were you.
 
I was convinced this was going to be about Donald Trump, or Ted Nugent, or Sean Hannity, or Mike Huckabee, or Rosanne Barr or....
 
I was convinced this was going to be about Donald Trump, or Ted Nugent, or Sean Hannity, or Mike Huckabee, or Rosanne Barr or....
Mike Pence, junior, Jared, Stone, Cohen, Manafort, . . .
 
I bet this thread ends well...

It'll end like every thread started by maris. He'll come in smug thinking he proved something important, the usual group will come in and dissect his post for either A: inaccuracies or B: huge fallacies that he thinks prove his point and C: he'll slunk off and start another thread.
 
It'll end like every thread started by maris. He'll come in smug thinking he proved something important, the usual group will come in and dissect his post for either A: inaccuracies or B: huge fallacies that he thinks prove his point and C: he'll slunk off and start another thread.
I'm pretty sure that a lot of the posters over here have different world views than I do, sometimes maybe drastically. I "like" to believe though that, that doesn't mean we can't have a generally good dialogue about things. Our world views, if laid out respectfully, shouldn't prohibit friendships, and if that's too much in the very least it shouldn't prohibit us from showing decency towards each other. Yes, of course, there are very extreme world views, that are at such great conflict with each other they deem the other one to not be deserving of that decency, but honestly, I believe those are fairly rare.
I saw @Chris Craig post something yesterday that really bothered me, in the way he put it, but I know enough about him to realize he is a "good" guy.

The problem I generally have with this "type" of thread is that to me, seeking conflict, calling a group of people Trumpets, Morons, whatever from the start of the conversation does absolutely nothing positive. In fact, it usually just makes people who feel like they're targetted jump into defensive positions, which means when it comes to actual conversation, you will have none.

Some may call it weakness, but I don't live my life seeking conflict with people who disagree with me, I live my life seeking to understand people who disagree with me, trying to figure out how they got to where they're at.
 
I am a GRU officer, here practicing my English and to destroy America.

barfo
 
I am a GRU officer, here practicing my English and to destroy America.

barfo
The GRU are nothing. The FSB is where it's at. We at the FSB are so cool that we get to wear our hats slightly cocked off center. And the chicks dig our uni-s.
 
I guess since no rebuttal at all pertaining to the OP, we can all agree Roger Waters and the idiotic opinions he expresses, and the people who admire him for them, are brain-dead.
 
I'm pretty sure that a lot of the posters over here have different world views than I do, sometimes maybe drastically. I "like" to believe though that, that doesn't mean we can't have a generally good dialogue about things. Our world views, if laid out respectfully, shouldn't prohibit friendships, and if that's too much in the very least it shouldn't prohibit us from showing decency towards each other. Yes, of course, there are very extreme world views, that are at such great conflict with each other they deem the other one to not be deserving of that decency, but honestly, I believe those are fairly rare.
I saw @Chris Craig post something yesterday that really bothered me, in the way he put it, but I know enough about him to realize he is a "good" guy.

The problem I generally have with this "type" of thread is that to me, seeking conflict, calling a group of people Trumpets, Morons, whatever from the start of the conversation does absolutely nothing positive. In fact, it usually just makes people who feel like they're targetted jump into defensive positions, which means when it comes to actual conversation, you will have none.

Some may call it weakness, but I don't live my life seeking conflict with people who disagree with me, I live my life seeking to understand people who disagree with me, trying to figure out how they got to where they're at.

What did I post that bothered you?
 
I guess since no rebuttal at all pertaining to the OP, we can all agree Roger Waters and the idiotic opinions he expresses, and the people who admire him for them, are brain-dead.

I'd guess that you are the only one who cares about his opinions. One wonders why you do.

barfo
 
What did I post that bothered you?
I really don't think its a big enough deal to rehash and I probably didnt need to bring it up. It was just an example of saying I can disagree with someone and still like them, or respect them.
I can send you something in a private conversation if curiosity is killing you.

Just the point is people have different opinions, world views, etc and we can still treat people decently...
 
I really don't think its a big enough deal to rehash and I probably didnt need to bring it up. It was just an example of saying I can disagree with someone and still like them, or respect them.
I can send you something in a private conversation if curiosity is killing you.

Just the point is people have different opinions, world views, etc and we can still treat people decently...

Fair enough. I expect that everything I say won't be agreed upon by everybody. I try not to say hateful things. I try to treat others decently. I also try to be open minded (a work in progress). Often, I might seem hardheaded or dead set on my views, but I do make the effort to listen to opposing views. I let myself get to heated about Trump and all of this political bullshit. Part of that is I love to argue. It's fun. But, sometimes I go to far into it probably. There are several posters on here who I don't agree with but, respect. I don't always agree with you, but you come across as a pretty decent person. If I say something that crosses a line, please PM me. If I see other posters crossing the line, I call it out, and the same should go for me.
 
Let's start with a guy who's been in and out of mental institutions all his life...

Roger Waters: From Pink Floyd Icon to Nicolas Maduro Puppet
Pink Floyd singer Roger Waters has emerged as a leading supporter of Venezuelan dictator Nicolas Maduro.

By
Q24N

Pink Floyd frontman Roger Waters has been making headlines this week in an unlikely region of the world: the Andean region. Is he going to be swinging through Quito, Bogota, Lima, Caracas, and LaPaz for a tour, you ask?

roger-waters-richard-branson-web-590x340.jpg

Roger Waters is furious that Richard Branson is sponsoring a concert in Cucuta, in opposition to Maduro’s Venezuelan dictatorship (Futuro).
Hardly. (Although given his affinity for Nicolas Maduro, a “concert for the dictatorship” wouldn’t be out of the question).

Rather, it’s his expertise as a geopolitical commentator, rather than his musical stylings, that have been making headlines.

Waters is outraged…outraged, that his countryman Richard Branson is sponsoring a “Live-Aid-ish” type event in the city of Cucuta, on the Colombo-Venezuelan border, a place that has become the focal point for the Venezuelan humanitarian crisis.

Waters sees Branson as an unwitting pawn of the “Evil Empire”: the United States, which, of course, just wants to steal all of Venezuela’s oil. (He apparently believes that Russia and China have no interest in Venezuela oil, and is blissfully unaware that the United States has been buying the lion’s share of Venezuelan oil for decades already…”buying” on the global market is now “stealing” according to Waters).

For Waters, here is the rub. Branson’s ambitious goal of raising USD$100 million for sick and hungry Venezuelan refugees has nothing to do with humanitarian aid, but rather with the planned United States “takeover” of Venezuela.

Not exactly. The United States is not interested in “taking over” Venezuela, any more than it is interested in “taking over” Mexico, Chile, Peru or any of our other close allies in the region.

And waters really gets steamed up about democracy…according to him, Venezuela has a spectacular and “real” democracy.

This is beyond laughable. The overwhelming majority of the Venezuelan people stand with the opposition and the National Assembly, which won a two-thirds supermajority the last time free and fair elections were held.

If imprisoning, torturing, and banning opposition politicians from running in elections constitutes a “real democracy”…then Venezuela would undoubtedly have one of the “most real democracies” in the world.

Waters argues that Branson’s event has nothing to do with the needs of the Venezuelan people. Enlighten us, Roger.

I suppose those three million people who have fled Venezuela left because they just wanted a change of scenery, right?


I suppose that the 500,000 Venezuelans now residing in Peru are there because they had always wanted to do the full tour of Machu Picchu and enjoy some world-class ceviche? I suppose the streets of every major Colombian city are packed


barfo
I'd guess that you are the only one who cares about his opinions. One wonders why you do.

barfo
Well trump is a celebrity and maris supports him so he just admitted he was a moron.
 
Fair enough. I expect that everything I say won't be agreed upon by everybody. I try not to say hateful things. I try to treat others decently. I also try to be open-minded (a work in progress). Often, I might seem hardheaded or dead set on my views, but I do make the effort to listen to opposing views. I let myself get to heated about Trump and all of this political bullshit. Part of that is I love to argue. It's fun. But, sometimes I go too far into it probably. There are several posters on here who I don't agree with but, respect. I don't always agree with you, but you come across as a pretty decent person. If I say something that crosses a line, please PM me. If I see other posters crossing the line, I call it out, and the same should go for me.
Heh, it sure didn't cross any "lines." Anyways people will always have things we disagree on, just the thread title here of calling people Morons right at the start, what kind of discussion does anyone think that's going to bring...
 
Meh.....I always thought Pink Floyd sucked from the get go anyway........Roger who?
 
I'm pretty sure that a lot of the posters over here have different world views than I do, sometimes maybe drastically. I "like" to believe though that, that doesn't mean we can't have a generally good dialogue about things. Our world views, if laid out respectfully, shouldn't prohibit friendships, and if that's too much in the very least it shouldn't prohibit us from showing decency towards each other. Yes, of course, there are very extreme world views, that are at such great conflict with each other they deem the other one to not be deserving of that decency, but honestly, I believe those are fairly rare.
I saw @Chris Craig post something yesterday that really bothered me, in the way he put it, but I know enough about him to realize he is a "good" guy.

The problem I generally have with this "type" of thread is that to me, seeking conflict, calling a group of people Trumpets, Morons, whatever from the start of the conversation does absolutely nothing positive. In fact, it usually just makes people who feel like they're targetted jump into defensive positions, which means when it comes to actual conversation, you will have none.

Some may call it weakness, but I don't live my life seeking conflict with people who disagree with me, I live my life seeking to understand people who disagree with me, trying to figure out how they got to where they're at.

Incredibly great post.

All too often people misconstrue a differing of opinions from a debate to an argument. You can disagree and debate ideologies without having it go personal. Just keep in mind that the debate is to raise all intellects with a heightened sense of awareness brought to you by simply listening to the other side. Whether you end up agreeing or not, odds are you will have a better understanding of why or how they have come to think the way they do.

I have laid into friends on this board( I would never say anything on here I wouldn't say in person IMO) but did so with the understanding that they are good people and wont just take it personal but will actually listen to what i'm saying and attempt to understand it. Whether they agree with it or not.

No one is perfect in this world and all too often we are offended by anyone else trying to inform us of how we could improve ourselves. I love debating. I love people telling me i'm wrong. If I'm told i'm right all the time, How can I improve myself? I must be told i'm wrong in order to be able to see the other side. I don't take offence. I might not agree after looking into it, but will always appreciate someone attempting to head me off at the pass to save me, whether i'm off track or not. Its a respect thing. I respect anyone willing to debate, regardless of whether minds are changed or not.
 

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