Lillard's and Aldridge's relationship. (He will come back Portland one day)

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  1. TorturedBlazerFan

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    ML’s shooting stats have always been really freaking good. I think they thought he could become good emough at other things to make it worth it.
    In terms of Aminu he’s a good defender in the right match up, but his overall team defense isnt very good and he gets burned quite a bit, to be fair with the rules these days every one gets burned quite a bit.
     
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    It seemed like last night that Stotts didn't want to put Aminu back in. After Jake messed up and fouled Bertrans on a 3 he reluctantly put him back in. Aminu's very first play he fell asleep off the ball and his man got a wide open 3 in the corner. I was so pissed.
     
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    Turner is valuable when matched up with someone shorter whom he can post up against.
    I have no explanation for Leonard except he's light years better than he used to be. Yeah, threadbare but at least it's something. I imagine he'll go when his contract is up.
     
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    He also wanted to be closer to his mother. He needed someone to take him tampon shopping. :devilwink:
     
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    I'll post whatever the fuck I want to post that doesn't violate forum rules.

    You're the James Harden of posters.

    You consistently throw up bullshit and then complain when you don't get the call.

    Stop being a fucking flopper.
     
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    Discussion was based on the speculation that Aldridge would like to come back here some day. I merely expressed my opinion. I base my opinion on trade value due to how most evaluate the two of them, age and it would take a lot more in salary to acquire BG over LMA and Pistons aren't likely to take just expiring contracts and mediocre draft pick.
     
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    That's right when I was calling for Zach to go in. Stotts had a chance to change the tide but couldnt possibly go off the cue card.
     
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    The Blazers are already getting at least those "all star" stats of 21/9/2 as a team on the same usage. It's just spread across multiple players.

    Points
    LMA takes 2x as many shots as Aminu. You can't pretend that those extra shots & touches come out of thin air. They come at the expense of Dame, CJ, and Nurk who combined, along with Chief, are just as efficient as LMA.

    Rebounds
    Aminu's career rebound rate is the same as LMA. That's a wash at best. Aminu gets fewer ORB because he's camped at the 3pt line. He get's more DRB because he's a better rebounder, in spite of having to contend with Nurk.

    Assists
    LMA gets 50% more assists per minute than Aminu, but he has the ball twice as much, taking touches away from Nurk, Dame, CJ who all have much better assist rates than LMA.

    3-Point Shooting
    You complain about Aminu while LMA shoots 26% on wide open 3's? He never bothered to even learn the shot, despite being quite capable just a few feet closer. One-trick pony, mental midget, and lazy.

    Offensively it's a sideways move. We are already getting 21/9/2 production on the same usage & minutes.
    Defensively Aminu is significantly better, as both DRPM and DBPM show.

    Pay more money, add a bad chemistry needy player, and use up money we could use to upgrade somewhere else. No thanks.
     
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    Aldridge plays about 4 more minutes than Aminu so are you saying that the pf position is giving the similar production in the same amount of time as Aldridge? Who is this magical superstar that is scoring at a 12ppg game clip in 4 minutes as Aminu only averages 9+ ppg? That's fantastic and we need to exploit it. Who is it?
     
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    Just so we are on the same page, you do realize that part of the Aldridge discussion was about that Aldridge is now a center and not a power forward?
     
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    actually, I don't believe it is, at least not generically

    that simple equation ignores driving fouls, shooting fouls, and FT's. It's an incomplete number. that's why eFG% is a nearly useless stat compared to TS%. And TS% only accounts for the direct product of overall shooting. It doesn't account for getting an opposing team into the bonus earlier or getting opposing players in foul trouble, and how those two factors limit a defense.
     
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    All lanny said is that 35% from 3 is equivalent to 52.5% from the 2 point area. Nothing more and nothing less. Not sure why you took a left turn and turned lanny's statement into something ot wasn't. It's a large reason why teams have resorted to shooting many more threes than in years past. Look up how many 3's were being shot by teams 5 years ago.
     
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    Once again, we were talking about when Aldridge moves into the twilight of his career being better suited as a center at this point than a FULL-TIME power forward. I even said multiple times that he'd be fine at power forward in SPURTS, which is what the Spurs are doing.
     
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    There wasn't a left turn there at all....
    Lanny made a statement that can be factually correct when looking at it under a single lens. However, there is always more to the story. Wizenheimer just added more context to Lanny's statement, and was showing that in real game situations that Lanny's statement is usually incorrect.
    Everything that was said was completely relevant.
     
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    First, my post wasn;t directed at just you or any other individual as it was a general statement in a discussion where some posters said that Aldridge is a center NOW and shouldn't be playing power forward. My discussions have all been with the idea of trading for him in the off season and not really interested in signing him beyond his contract unless it's reasonable and fits our need. Does that clarify it for you? Do you agree or disagree that he can still play PF and probably just fine for 2 more years?
     
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    I agree that he can play PF. I disagree that keeping him at that position for a majority of his minutes is best for his career moving forward. If he was on the Blazers next year I would probably start him at PF and take him out a few minutes into the game to bring him back with the 2nd unit as the C, like we did the last few years with McCollum. If he was still here 2-3 years from now I'd transition him to almost exclusively the backup center spot as I think it would prolong his career limiting minutes and playing against bench bigs. My question with him is whether or not he would accept that role even when his skills start to deteriorate? Is Pop playing him at PF right now to placate Aldridge or is it really what he thinks is best? Pop often played a mediocre center with Duncan so he didn't have to be the center too. At the same time Poeltl's emergence, at least defensively, has been one of the reasons for their win streak lately.

    The article this thread is about was how Aldridge wanted to come back and finish his career in Portland. Trading for him this off-season is fine to discuss but lets not confuse comments about him coming after his current contract expires with ones about his current skills.
     
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    You pretty much answered your own question when you referred to Poetl's defense. I'm sure Pops feels it gives them a more solid lineup. As for any discussion I have had about Aldridge coming back here one day was with the idea of trading for him as why put it off as with Aldridge next year it would immediately put us into a contenders window. Will it happen? Probably not, but that's where I have been coming from all along. A lot depends on how the Spurs finish and what direction they want to go and what Pops future is.
     
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    okay, so it was a Y and not a left turn. :devilwink:
     

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