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Right, left or center it seems like there have been so many allegations leveled at highly regarded people in society. It’s difficult to assess these people. I nociced for me, it was easy to believe Dennis Hastert or Roy Moore were guilty of the crimes they were accused of committing however I found it difficult to entertain that Bill Clinton or Al Franken were guilty since I had a genuine respect for them. Over time, reading and researching I’ve come to believe all of the above were guilty of some severe sexual misconduct.

Then there’s the problem that some who are accused may be innocent. So although I want to believe victims there are real reasons why some “victims” could lie in search of fame or money.

I bring this up now because we are not in the middle of a huge sex scandal this week. Perhaps people can discuss the topic without it being one side laying accusations at the other side.

How do you analyze scandals before there is proof? How many accusations need to be leveled before you put stock in the claim?

When do you give a shit/not give a shit about accusations? Is it based on the age of the accusers, the position of the accused, the moral juxtaposition of what the accused espouses? What matters?

Who surprised you the most?
 
Further said:
Right, left or center it seems like there have been so many allegations leveled at highly regarded people in society. It’s difficult to assess these people. I nociced for me, it was easy to believe Dennis Hastert or Roy Moore were guilty of the crimes they were accused of committing however I found it difficult to entertain that Bill Clinton or Al Franken were guilty since I had a genuine respect for them. Over time, reading and researching I’ve come to believe all of the above were guilty of some severe sexual misconduct.

Then there’s the problem that some who are accused may be innocent. So although I want to believe victims there are real reasons why some “victims” could lie in search of fame or money.

I bring this up now because we are not in the middle of a huge sex scandal this week. Perhaps people can discuss the topic without it being one side laying accusations at the other side.

How do you analyze scandals before there is proof? How many accusations need to be leveled before you put stock in the claim?

When do you give a shit/not give a shit about accusations? Is it based on the age of the accusers, the position of the accused, the moral juxtaposition of what the accused espouses? What matters?

Who surprised you the most?
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Bill Cosby
 
Charlie Rose probably surprised me the most.....Al Franken didn't, I've read Jane Curtain's take on the out of control testosterone of SNL back then..I don't even think they've begun to look into Rock Stars from decades past...stand up comedians I would expect this from more than some subcultures..Garrison Keillor was another surprise to me.
 
Further said:
Right, left or center it seems like there have been so many allegations leveled at highly regarded people in society. It’s difficult to assess these people. I nociced for me, it was easy to believe Dennis Hastert or Roy Moore were guilty of the crimes they were accused of committing however I found it difficult to entertain that Bill Clinton or Al Franken were guilty since I had a genuine respect for them. Over time, reading and researching I’ve come to believe all of the above were guilty of some severe sexual misconduct.

Then there’s the problem that some who are accused may be innocent. So although I want to believe victims there are real reasons why some “victims” could lie in search of fame or money.

I bring this up now because we are not in the middle of a huge sex scandal this week. Perhaps people can discuss the topic without it being one side laying accusations at the other side.

How do you analyze scandals before there is proof? How many accusations need to be leveled before you put stock in the claim?

When do you give a shit/not give a shit about accusations? Is it based on the age of the accusers, the position of the accused, the moral juxtaposition of what the accused espouses? What matters?

Who surprised you the most?
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Look, as long as they don't grab 'em by the pussy, no harm done.
 
Again. Almost 8 billion people on the planet, people living in horrific poverty having kids. Every porn niche that could be invented has probably already been invented yet some sicko is still thinking of new ones right now. People love feet and pain and voyeurism.

I will likely never be surprised at the sick shit people are into. I don't recall Franken being accused of anything sinister but that doesn't mean he ain't doing something weird.

Anyway, what side of the aisle someone is on has nothing to do with how creepy they are likely to be.
 
Further said:
Right, left or center it seems like there have been so many allegations leveled at highly regarded people in society. It’s difficult to assess these people. I nociced for me, it was easy to believe Dennis Hastert or Roy Moore were guilty of the crimes they were accused of committing however I found it difficult to entertain that Bill Clinton or Al Franken were guilty since I had a genuine respect for them. Over time, reading and researching I’ve come to believe all of the above were guilty of some severe sexual misconduct.

Then there’s the problem that some who are accused may be innocent. So although I want to believe victims there are real reasons why some “victims” could lie in search of fame or money.

I bring this up now because we are not in the middle of a huge sex scandal this week. Perhaps people can discuss the topic without it being one side laying accusations at the other side.

How do you analyze scandals before there is proof? How many accusations need to be leveled before you put stock in the claim?

When do you give a shit/not give a shit about accusations? Is it based on the age of the accusers, the position of the accused, the moral juxtaposition of what the accused espouses? What matters?

Who surprised you the most?
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Further disappointed me the most.
 
julius said:
especially since nothing was found of it.
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I have a hard time believing there was "nothing" to all of that, but I can't prove anything (nor do I even want too), I hope he's innocent.

Anyways none of it really surprises me. I was probably the most disappointed in Cosby though.
 
Further said:
How do you analyze scandals before there is proof?
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I don't.

In Bill Clinton's case, I was somewhat embarrassed by what turn up on him, as it came out. I voted for him and events made me regret it.
But what was worse, all the Islamic terrorist stuff that was going down and not much was being done about it since the President was under the microscope the whole time. It became very apparent to me why the Constitution has it that we do not put President on trial while in office. We need the Chief executive to
give full attention to business while he holds the post. Not waste time and energy on defending himself against the pettiness of the opposition.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
Again. Almost 8 billion people on the planet, people living in horrific poverty having kids. Every porn niche that could be invented has probably already been invented yet some sicko is still thinking of new ones right now. People love feet and pain and voyeurism.

I will likely never be surprised at the sick shit people are into. I don't recall Franken being accused of anything sinister but that doesn't mean he ain't doing something weird.

Anyway, what side of the aisle someone is on has nothing to do with how creepy they are likely to be.
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Well, in the case of Franken, I really don't want to know more about him. Although, at the time, I had the feeling the dems were giving him the bum's rush.
 
Only a handful of people, all well-known to me personally, have my respect.

And none of them have ever let me down.

Celebrities/politicians are the most flawed, narcissistic people on the planet, and I doubt we've scratched the surface of their insidious secret lives.
 
There's already a thread about Robert Kraft.
 
Charcoal Filtered said:
Most of these people we hardly know so nothing surprises me.

Louie CK hurt though. Thought he was one of the best SNL hosts ever and enjoyed his comedy before his downfall.
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Louie is different IMHO.

He'd have to get off on women's repulsed faces.

That's all you'd get from beating off in front of "captors".
 
dviss1 said:
Louie is different IMHO.

He'd have to get off on women's repulsed faces.

That's all you'd get from beating off in front of "captors".
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Not sure what his deal is and not sure I want to know.

Sarah Silverman said he did it in front of her. Do not think she was repulsed since they remained friends. Also think she has enough star power not to be scared if she pressed charges.
 
Louie had a long standing joke about being the world's most talented masturbator and a joke about how much he loved NYC jewish girls because they'd just give him a quick handjob as if it was no big deal....he said these two jokes for years in his act...that he actually turned out to BE the joke is not that surprising to me and I love the guy's standup show...Louie was the first accused by metoo to actually admit it, apologize and not hide from getting caught. That much I respected..pretty much cost him a career he spent decades building.
 
riverman said:
Louie had a long standing joke about being the world's most talented masturbator and a joke about how much he loved NYC jewish girls because they'd just give him a quick handjob as if it was no big deal....he said these two jokes for years in his act...that he actually turned out to BE the joke is not that surprising to me and I love the guy's standup show...Louie was the first accused by metoo to actually admit it, apologize and not hide from getting caught. That much I respected..pretty much cost him a career he spent decades building.
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Wow!
I am thinking, there are times where being poorly informed is not all bad.
 
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