I'm sure there is a thread about this somewhere, but I haven't seen one so...Flopping is now an art form in the NBA. So many players do it, and it's very noticeable. Some of it is ridiculous. Game 5, when I saw Ginobili flop on Fisher after the play was over, heading into a TV break, I just had enough. It's almost ruining the sport.Should Stern make some kind of rule on flopping? Should there be some penatly such as a personal foul or something if the ref strongly thinks the individual flopped? Or would this give the referee too much power? Is there anyway to stop flopping?
Like not call the foul? They already do that. You can't call a foul on a player throwing himself on the floor hoping for a call. That would put the game more in the refs hands than it already is, and most basketball fans would tell you the game is already in the refs hands more than they would like it to be. And besides, they refs are smarter than we think they are. Theres a reason why Anderson Varejao doesn't get any calls and why Vlade Duvac never did.
I think the refs should all-around let the game play out more. Some games are ok but I hate when refs are calling a foul every minute(especially in the 4th qtr.) If there honestly is a penalty I understand but NBA refs are a little excessive. They are the ones that have allowed flopping to exist but as long as David Stern runs NBA I doubt we'll see it fixed.
Get rid of offensive fouls, except for extremely obvious ones. There's no point in all these little offensive flopping calls.
The refs should just use their best judgement, if they can tell it's an obvious flop, I wouldn't be opposed to giving the flopper a T. Even though I love Varejao, it does get old watching him try to draw the offensive foul so much.
I'd go with it. They should make it like a technical foul or something. Raja can defend without it, but without flopping, the Spurs would never win.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pronk48 @ Jun 6 2007, 08:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The refs should just use their best judgement, if they can tell it's an obvious flop, I wouldn't be opposed to giving the flopper a T. Even though I love Varejao, it does get old watching him try to draw the offensive foul so much.</div><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>CLEVELAND--Cavaliers forward Anderson Varejao admitted today that he was going to feel extremely self conscious flopping around Spurs guard Manu Ginboli in the upcoming NBA finals. Varejao considers himself an amateur flopper, while Ginobli is a legend who practically invented the practice of falling down on purpose. ?I am a little scared, I have to admit,? Varejao admitted with a laugh. ?This is like the student going up against the master. What if I screw up? What if I fall down and do not get the call? He will probably think I?m some kind of idiot. I guess I just have to stay calm and remember that I deserve to be here and that I can fall down just as good as he can?oh, who am I kidding? When he falls down, he is majestic like a ballerina. When I fall down I am like a drunk slipping on a banana peel. I only hope that we win the series in order to minimize the humiliation somewhat.?</div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kobebryant_24OWNEDME @ Jun 6 2007, 11:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>CLEVELAND--Cavaliers forward Anderson Varejao admitted today that he was going to feel extremely self conscious flopping around Spurs guard Manu Ginboli in the upcoming NBA finals. Varejao considers himself an amateur flopper, while Ginobli is a legend who practically invented the practice of falling down on purpose.?I am a little scared, I have to admit,? Varejao admitted with a laugh. ?This is like the student going up against the master. What if I screw up? What if I fall down and do not get the call? He will probably think I?m some kind of idiot. I guess I just have to stay calm and remember that I deserve to be here and that I can fall down just as good as he can?oh, who am I kidding? When he falls down, he is majestic like a ballerina. When I fall down I am like a drunk slipping on a banana peel. I only hope that we win the series in order to minimize the humiliation somewhat.?</div>I lol'd
I dont think there should be a technical, but I do think something needs to be done. I think they should just not call the foul. if a player flops, let the play continue. thats likely going to hurt the floppers team more than a T, because they likely will give up a layup.
<span style="font-family:Arial">I agree with most of the people in this thread. It's nearly impossible for a ref to tell the difference between a flop, and an actual foul. Flopping doesn't bother me as much as it does other people. I think it's a talent, people should use to their advantage. It has become part of the game, people are actually practicing their flopping technique.</span>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kobebryant_24OWNEDME @ Jun 6 2007, 11:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'></div> Gotta love Andy.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I agree with most of the people in this thread. It's nearly impossible for a ref to tell the difference between a flop, and an actual foul. Flopping doesn't bother me as much as it does other people. I think it's a talent, people should use to their advantage. It has become part of the game, people are actually practicing their flopping technique.</div>Yeah, and I don't like that. It's so out of hand nowadays. If you barely get touched, you flail your entire body around, spin 360, do a backflip, fall on the ground, and point to the guy like "OH MY GOD HE JUST TRIED TO KILL ME!!!" That's so ridiculous. NBA players are big guys, stop acting like pussies and take a hit... better yet, take a poke.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (redneck @ Jun 6 2007, 01:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I dont think there should be a technical, but I do think something needs to be done. I think they should just not call the foul. if a player flops, let the play continue. thats likely going to hurt the floppers team more than a T, because they likely will give up a layup.</div>That's what the refs were starting to do with Varejao in the Pistons series. But that didn't stop him, and he still got some offensive fouls in the process. I will say however that Varejao is not as much of a flopper as Ginobli. A big chunk of the offensive fouls he tries to draw, are really offensive fouls, he does flop, but not with the same regularity that Ginobli does it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pronk48 @ Jun 6 2007, 01:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That's what the refs were starting to do with Varejao in the Pistons series. But that didn't stop him, and he still got some offensive fouls in the process. I will say however that Varejao is not as much of a flopper as Ginobli. A big chunk of the offensive fouls he tries to draw, are really offensive fouls, he does flop, but not with the same regularity that Ginobli does it.</div>Varejao falls down more often than a bowling pin in a 300 game.I think the problem is that if you try to put any kind of technical foul rule in to deter flopping, it will be abused by the already incompetent and biased referees that are out there. A better idea is to treat flops like they treat fighting/throwing punches and the like. You have a crew that reviews every game tape looking for flops, and you get fined for each flop, and when you accrue enough of them, you get suspended.This allows the refs to concentrate on the game, doesn't give them additional leverage to swing a game one way or the other, but also punishes and discourages flopping.
