Science Do we have the tiebreaker over Houston or not?

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  1. KingSpeed

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    On the radio, they said Houston has it because of winning division. I thought it was head to head. Please explain. This can become a seed race thread too.
     
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    Blazers own head to head tie breaker from taking 2 of 3 vs Rockets. In a 2 way tie head to head is first tiebreaker. However, if it’s a 3 way tie (or more) then the first tiebreaker is Division winner. So yes, Blazers own tiebreaker over Rockets . . . as long as it’s only a 2 way tie.

    https://www.blazersedge.com/2019/4/2/18292442/portland-trail-blazers-2019-nba-playoffs-tiebreaker-scenario

    https://www.nba.com/standings

    a. Two Teams Tied
    1. (1)Better winning percentage in games against each other
    2. (2)Division winner (this criterion is applied regardless of whether the tied teams are in the same division).
    3. (3)Better winning percentage against teams in own division (only if tied teams are in same division).
    4. (4)Better winning percentage against teams in own conference.
    5. (5)Better winning percentage against teams eligible for playoffs in own conference (including teams that finished the regular season tied for a playoff position).
    6. (6)Better winning percentage against teams eligible for playoffs in opposite conference (including teams that finished the regular season tied for a playoff position).
    7. (7)Better net result of total points scored less total points allowed against all opponents ("point differential").
    b. More Than Two Teams Tied
    1. (1)Division winner (this criterion is applied regardless of whether the tied teams are in the same division).
    2. (2)Better winning percentage in all games among the tied teams.
    3. (3)Better winning percentage against teams in own division (only if all tied teams are in same division).
    4. (4)Better winning percentage against teams in own conference.
    5. (5)Better winning percentage against teams eligible for playoffs in own conference (including teams that finished the regular season tied for a playoff position).
    6. (6)Better net result of total points scored less total points allowed against all opponents ("point differential").
     
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    Kaydow, Apr 4, 2019
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    To balance these atheist Science threads, Sly should start more Creationist, Zionist, and Shiite threads.
     
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    There are no winning percentages or seeds, just different planes
     
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    Thank you, Kaydow. That makes sense. So we control our own destiny for 3 seed.
     
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    No, because we could win out and end up in a 3-way tie for 2nd-4th.
     
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    No, we do not. If we win out, but Denver and Houston win all their games not against us, we all finish tied at 54-28, and we lose that 3-way tie-breaker and end up the 4 seed.
     
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    That's racist.
     
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    Ah. Thanks.
     
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    By why is Portland to 4th seed?
     
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    Denver wins division over us by virtue of division record. We then lose 3-way tie-breaker to Houston/Denver by virtue of not being a division champion, thus relegating us to 4th, and leaving Denver/Houston tied for 2/3.
     
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    We don't completely. Houston has to lose to OKC and the Blazers would have to win at least 3.
     
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    Denver would be 2nd based on division record and Houston 3rd
     
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    Head-to-head, Houston beat Denver 3-1. Pretty sure they'd get the 2 seed.
     
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    In a three way tie scenario division record comes first. Though I gues with the three way tie it would revert to two way tie rules...hmm
     
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    Division record is only relevant to teams in the same division. And the 3-way tie in this scenario is broken once the "division winner" criterion is applied. Once we're out of the mix, it's just a 2-way tie between Denver/Houston, which the Rockets win.
     
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    Oh ok...I read it as it applying to all tied teams. Basically if Houston had a better division record than the Nuggest did in theirs, they get the tie breaker. Also wasn't sure if the rules reverted from three way to two way. Thanks
     
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    I'm sorry, I understood you the first time. There was a meme in Reddit/r/nba about Portland getting the 4th back when winning your division mattered for seating
     
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    Whos on first?
     
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    Posting this again here. This is what we should be rooting for:

    If Houston goes 1-1 (Phoenix, OKC)
    And if we go 3-0 (Denver, Lakers, Kings)
    And if Denver wins at least once (Utah, Minnesota)

    then

    Denver 54-28
    Portland 53-29
    Houston 53-29

    That's our path to the third seed. We need OKC to lose a game (Bucks?) and the Clippers to win a game (at home vs Utah?) and Clippers get 6 seed because Clippers will have tiebreaker over OKC.

    That sets us with a 3-6 matchup with the Clippers that opens at the Moda Center next weekend.

    That is the best case scenario.
     
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