Nitro, quit giving me this 'what if' stuff. Lebron is in the finals, T-Mac has never made it there. Simple as that
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Jun 14 2007, 12:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Nitro, quit giving me this 'what if' stuff. Lebron is in the finals, T-Mac has never made it there. Simple as that</div>And it has nothing to do with their playing styles, which was your point from the start. It takes a team to win a playoff series. Even though T-Mac deserves a lot of blame for his playoff drought, you have to realize he is also the 3rd leading scorer in playoff history, hit game winning shots in the playoffs, and most of the time his teammates simply did not show up and they were outplayed by a better team.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Jun 14 2007, 01:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And it has nothing to do with their playing styles, which was your point from the start. It takes a team to win a playoff series. Even though T-Mac deserves a lot of blame for his playoff drought, you have to realize he is also the 3rd leading scorer in playoff history, hit game winning shots in the playoffs, and most of the time his teammates simply did not show up and they were outplayed by a better team.</div>Also, you forgot to mention LeBron is in the East. Put the Rockets in the Eastern Conference with the number 2 seed (which they probably would have got, maybe the #1 seed) they could have made it to the finals. They played two banged up teams and Yao vs. that sh*tty frontline the Nets had would be a disaster. They would give the Pistons competition and could win that series. Oh and they would put up a better fight than the Cavs have against the Spurs.
I did bring it up, but PFF shot it down due to the "what-if" scenarios. I agree completely. T-Mac has simply run into a better team in 5 of the 6 series he was in, and vs Utah they had to deal with the immense mismatch of Yao/Boozer (along with terrible play by role players). I understand T-Mac deserves blame for his playoff woes, but his playing style is not the culprit (and quite frankly he really hasn't been the main problem either). He is the 3rd leading playoff scorer all time, averages 6-7 APG and RPG each series, has hit game winners, etc...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (valo35 @ Jun 10 2007, 10:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I like Gerald Green alot as a player, and think he has a very bright future ahead of him. I really think that in the future he can be a better player than Lebron James.</div>I have always liked Gerald Geen, and also think he has a bright future...
Explain to me how Gerald Green is better than Lebron.I think their shots are about equal, but Lebron obviously takes tougher shots than Gerald because he gets doubled on the wing all the time. Lebron is the better driver, I'm sorry. He's built like a bull; much stronger than what Gerald is now. He's got a ton of quickness, and a ton of strength, and he can take it in pretty much whenever he wants to. Lebron scores a shitload more than Gerald...and if you compare their productivity by age, Lebron blows Gerald away.....Lebron is a great rebounder and passer, and Gerald really doesn't have those gifts either.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jun 15 2007, 12:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Explain to me how Gerald Green is better than Lebron.I think their shots are about equal, but Lebron obviously takes tougher shots than Gerald because he gets doubled on the wing all the time. Lebron is the better driver, I'm sorry. He's built like a bull; much stronger than what Gerald is now. He's got a ton of quickness, and a ton of strength, and he can take it in pretty much whenever he wants to. Lebron scores a shitload more than Gerald...and if you compare their productivity by age, Lebron blows Gerald away.....Lebron is a great rebounder and passer, and Gerald really doesn't have those gifts either.</div>Bro.... it's over.
Gerald Green is strictly a pure shooter/scorer. Though he may not end up having LeBron's all-around game he will be known as a much better scorer and shooter.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (High54Life @ Jun 20 2007, 09:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Gerald Green is strictly a pure shooter/scorer. Though he may not end up having LeBron's all-around game he will be known as a much better scorer and shooter.</div><span style="font-family:Arial">Gerald Green and Lebron James are nearly the same age. If Gerald Green isn't close to being a better scorer than Lebron now, what makes you think he will be a few years from now.</span>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC? @ Jun 20 2007, 09:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-family:Arial">Gerald Green and Lebron James are nearly the same age. If Gerald Green isn't close to being a better scorer than Lebron now, what makes you think he will be a few years from now.</span></div>Well take in consideration the situation LBJ was in and the situation GG was in. GG came into the league as a 19 year old child and was forced to prove himself for playing time and worked in. LBJ was a starter from day one. Gerald isn't close to being a better scorer than LeBron now because he simply doesn't get the minutes. If Gerald would average 35 minutes a game he would average 21 point per game. But if he developed consistency he would average 25 points a game in 38 mpg. Though he might have a great all-around game, he would be a better scorer. LBJ is a 1 year and a half older than Gerald. You call that nearly?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (High54Life @ Jun 20 2007, 10:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well that in consideration the situation LBJ was in and the situation GG was in. GG came into the league as a 19 year old child and was forced to prove himself. LBJ was a starter from day one. Gerald isn't close to being a better scorer than LeBron now because he simply doesn't get the minutes. If Gerald would average 35 minutes a game he would average 21 point per game. But if he developed consistency he would average 25 points a game in 38 mpg.</div>Gerald played 11 minutes a game as a rookie, he didn't have to prove himself at all. If Green had anywhere near the talent of LeBron James, he would've played much more. Green doesn't get the minutes because he isn't consistant, and he just is NOT ready to play big-time minutes like LBJ. If Gerald played LeBron minutes he'd probably get 15-16 ppg, shooting a low percentage from the field..
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kingjamez @ Jun 20 2007, 10:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Gerald played 11 minutes a game as a rookie, he didn't have to prove himself at all. If Green had anywhere near the talent of LeBron James, he would've played much more. Green doesn't get the minutes because he isn't consistant, and he just is NOT ready to play big-time minutes like LBJ. If Gerald played LeBron minutes he'd probably get 15-16 ppg, shooting a low percentage from the field..</div> <u>Gerald Green as a starter</u>32.9 mpg, 16.0 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 1.8 asts, 83% ft%, 41.7 fg% .362% 3p% 70% of his shots are beyond the paint.Add consistency with that you get a 20+ scorer.LeBron as a starter40.9 mpg, 27.3 ppg, 60% of his shots are in the paint or free throws
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (High54Life @ Jun 20 2007, 09:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'> <u>Gerald Green as a starter</u>32.9 mpg, 16.0 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 1.8 asts, 83% ft%, 41.7 fg% .362% 3p%Add consistency with that you get a 20+ scorer.LeBron as a starter40.9 mpg, 27.3 ppg, 60% of his shots are in the paint or free throws</div>60% of MJ's shots early on were from the FT line or inside the paint...GG is a better scorer than him too, right?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Jun 20 2007, 10:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>60% of MJ's shots early on were from the FT line or inside the paint...GG is a better scorer than him too, right?</div>But they weren't all lay-ups or dunks they were pull-up j's. GG isn't a better scorer than LBJ now but he sure as hell is a better shooter.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (High54Life @ Jun 20 2007, 09:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>But they weren't all lay-ups or dunks they were pull-up j's. GG isn't a better scorer than LBJ now but he sure as hell is a better shooter.</div>And GG doesn't have to suffer constant double and triple teams night after night. He can go backdoor and sneak in for easy baskets as he has never been a primary scoring option. He is rarely ever guarded by the other team's best perimeter players. Therefor we don't know just how good of a jumpshooter he really is, and he isn't even a tenth of what bron is going to the rim.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Jun 20 2007, 10:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And GG doesn't have to suffer constant double and triple teams night after night. He can go backdoor and sneak in for easy baskets as he has never been a primary scoring option. He is rarely ever guarded by the other team's best perimeter players. Therefor we don't know just how good of a jumpshooter he really is, and he isn't even a tenth of what bron is going to the rim.</div>Listen, when Pierce was injured and GG was starting he was covered by the following people: Kobe, Rip, Tayshaun, Snow, Howard, and Hughes. More to mention but can't think of it now.
Look H54Life, everyone knows you think highly of Green, but just can the over the top optimism until he actual can play consistently. Right now he's lost 1/2 the time on the court because he doesn't have a good feel for the game.you sound like a complete nut hugger and it's unrational and obviously annoying people.we get it, you think he's gonna be great.until that time, focus on other things.PLEASE!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (High54Life @ Jun 20 2007, 10:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Listen, when Pierce was injured and GG was starting he was covered by the following people: Kobe, Rip, Tayshaun, Snow, Howard, and Hughes. More to mention but can't think of it now.</div>He simply didn't have to face that kind of pressure night, after night, after night, etc... And it isn't just a matter of who is guarding you individually, it's the help defense that really causes the problems. The defense, even with Pierce out, was never zoned in on GG. Thus, he got to face single teams, got to have a lot of easy baskets off backdoor cuts, etc... It's a totally different pressure when you are public enemy #1. And even IF he had the kind of pressure LeBron has on him every night, he is still scoring about 15PPG less than what Bron is capable of, and doing it on much worse FG %.
