<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticFan @ Jun 15 2007, 10:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>sooooooooo you'd rather discuss the exciting and competitive finals?most of the Celtic trade rumors have been mentioned by the media, so they are not without some substance. Of course most will not happen, but if there is a possibility, is it not the point of these type of forums for fans to discuss the possibilities?and sure as sh*t, there's gonna be some nuthuggers on here making it sound better than it is.but hey, it happens deal with it.</div>Heh, no, but that doesn't make all these stupid trade threads more worthwhile.I take everything the media says with a grain of salt. If you're talking about ESPN, then I really take everything they say with a grain of salt. I just don't see y'all making a trade like some of these. And yes, I don't mind if we describe the possibilities. I just don't see the point in making a bunch of stupid posts about attaining star players that aren't even really feasible. It makes everyone look stupid here.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Jun 15 2007, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Justice, if you were a fan of a team in the Celtics' situation, you'd be talking about some trade possibilities too. Imagine being a fan of a team that hasn't sniffed the playoffs in 2 years, has 90% of their players injured on and off all year long, has the 2nd worst record but gets the 5th pick in the lottery, signs one of the worst NBA coaches to an extension, a star player pleading for veterans, and not knowing what will happen this offseason or which players will be dealt. The Celtics are a clusterfuck right now, and we need to make changes/noise. It's only natural for fans of sucky teams to discuss this type of stuff in the offseason... especially with the draft being 2 weeks away.</div>I don't have a problem with discussing trade possibilities. I just have a problem with discussing asinine possibilities that either don't benefit a team or just don't make sense. I understand your feelings, but trading for Rashard? I think the term "clusterfuck" is a bit misused. Y'all aren't well off in any sense of the word, but you do have a lot of pieces of the puzzle, unlike many other teams (Valo has said this, which makes me right). The most annoying part is when people say things like, "Oh yeah, can you imagine what our team would be like with all these trades and free agents?! Billups/Kobe/Lewis/Marion/Camby!! HOLY CCRAPP!" It's not that these trades are just unrealistic or unhelpful. It's that they are both. The Mike James for Juwan Howard trade made a ton of sense compared to most of the ideas coming from Houston fans, just as an example. And Lakers fans aren't that bad off either, aside from being mostly idiots.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jun 15 2007, 02:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't have a problem with discussing trade possibilities. I just have a problem with discussing asinine possibilities that either don't benefit a team or just don't make sense. I understand your feelings, but trading for Rashard? I think the term "clusterfuck" is a bit misused. Y'all aren't well off in any sense of the word, but you do have a lot of pieces of the puzzle, unlike many other teams (Valo has said this, which makes me right). The most annoying part is when people say things like, "Oh yeah, can you imagine what our team would be like with all these trades and free agents?! Billups/Kobe/Lewis/Marion/Camby!! HOLY CCRAPP!" It's not that these trades are just unrealistic or unhelpful. It's that they are both. The Mike James for Juwan Howard trade made a ton of sense compared to most of the ideas coming from Houston fans, just as an example. And Lakers fans aren't that bad off either, aside from being mostly idiots.</div> Well I don't think anybody has made threads like that in here ("OMG KOBE BILLUPS MARION AND CAMBY!"). It's just rumors about trade discussion, and we are talking about the possibilities of making the rumored deals. I don't see the problem here, honestly.
The Lewis rumor is reported by several news outlets, so there is some dicussion going on.does that mean it will happen. not for sure, but more so than a random idea by anyone on this message board.Lewis will be traded for 30 cents on the dollar because he can walk away. The Sonics will be low balled by any team.Marion is a slight possibility due to the rumor that the Suns are supposed to try and get under the cap. Now that rumor is changing to them trying to get ride of Kurt Thomas instead.Joe Johnson rumors are widely reported too, so most likely there has been discussions by the c's and hawks too.what is so far fetched about discussing those ideas if the media is reporting them?and yes of course you take their trade rumors with a grain of salt, but with several different sites mentioning these rumors, it does give it some credence that these ideas were proposed...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Jun 15 2007, 01:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well I don't think anybody has made threads like that in here ("OMG KOBE BILLUPS MARION AND CAMBY!").</div>I have never seen a thread topic like that, nor anyone making a post QUITE that bad, but I have seen several posts that imply that a team could get multiple all-stars through trading in the off-season, which is absurd.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jun 15 2007, 03:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I have never seen a thread topic like that, nor anyone making a post QUITE that bad, but I have seen several posts that imply that a team could get multiple all-stars through trading in the off-season, which is absurd.</div>The Nets got Vince Carter for 2 future first round picks, Eric Williams, Aaron Williams, and an often injured and WAY past his prime Alonzo Mourning. Now please show me a trade in this section any more absurd then that one.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Living_Legend33 @ Jun 15 2007, 06:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Nets got Vince Carter for 2 future first round picks, Eric Williams, Aaron Williams, and an often injured and WAY past his prime Alonzo Mourning. Now please show me a trade in this section any more absurd then that one.</div>Oh yeah, that happens all the time. I apologize. I'm a complete idiot.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Living_Legend33 @ Jun 15 2007, 07:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Nets got Vince Carter for 2 future first round picks, Eric Williams, Aaron Williams, and an often injured and WAY past his prime Alonzo Mourning. Now please show me a trade in this section any more absurd then that one.</div> Your post makes absolutely no sense. And Justice is right. For Kobe/Marion/Camby/Lewis/Billups/Garnett to be rumoured to go to Boston is just ridiculous and you know it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Jun 15 2007, 06:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Your post makes absolutely no sense. And Justice is right. For Kobe/Marion/Camby/Lewis/Billups/Garnett to be rumoured to go to Boston is just ridiculous and you know it.</div>So far, I've seen Joe Johnson, Marion, and Lewis rumors posted... I don't really understand them as they don't seem to make sense. That's just my opinion.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jun 15 2007, 07:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So far, I've seen Joe Johnson, Marion, and Lewis rumors posted... I don't really understand them as they don't seem to make sense. That's just my opinion.</div> The Joe Johnson one doesn't make sense for Atlanta at all, I agree, but why doesn't Lewis or Marion to Boston make sense. If Phoenix wants to dump salary and get a big expiring contract, plus young talent in return... why not? We have Theo Ratliff's $11M expiring, the #5 pick in this deep draft, and young talent. Rashard Lewis... sign and trade? We could get him for 30 cents on the dollar. I think you're making these sound worse than they really are. It's not like we are saying "what if we get Marion and Lewis, then trade for Camby." We're simply discussing the possibility of acquiring one of them, the like I said, Marion/Lewis does make sense.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Jun 15 2007, 07:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think you're making these sound worse than they really are. It's not like we are saying "what if we get Marion and Lewis, then trade for Camby." We're simply discussing the possibility of acquiring one of them, the like I said, Marion/Lewis does make sense.</div>Uh, I didn't imply that you were saying that. I was merely going on a tangent about trade talks on these forums. People go overboard, and it makes us look stupid. It hasn't happened in this thread... I thought I was pretty straightforward in saying that.Marion would, to me, be the most likely of the three. I understand the points about Phoenix wanting to dump salary and get young talent, but I don't see it completely making sense for either team. You made a point about Marion leaving with the player option, right? So there is some question there if he would even stay. On the Suns side, you are suggesting they want young talent, but last year they literally sold their picks for money. Could it be different this year? Yeah, it's a deep draft. I'm just not sure how much the Suns want to invest in youth when they are so close to a championship it isn't even funny.Realistically, many more minor trades happen than big ones. Rashard will most likely move, Marion MIGHT, Artest MIGHT, JO MIGHT, but probably not all of them. And LivingLegend is sitting here pretending like someone trades peanuts for a superstar every off-season. Usually, it doesn't work like that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Jun 15 2007, 07:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Your post makes absolutely no sense. And Justice is right. For Kobe/Marion/Camby/Lewis/Billups/Garnett to be rumoured to go to Boston is just ridiculous and you know it.</div>All of them together would be ridiculous, but if somebody proposed that Carter deal before it happened NOBODY would've believed it. We don't know how badly players want to leave and where they want to go, and what GM's are willing or need to give up to get them. It's just fun to speculate. Sure not all the trades we discuss will be equal for everyone involved, but most of them are certainly better then that deal which ACTUALLY happened. Also, the Lewis and Marion rumors have some merit to them.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jun 15 2007, 09:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Uh, I didn't imply that you were saying that. I was merely going on a tangent about trade talks on these forums. People go overboard, and it makes us look stupid. It hasn't happened in this thread... I thought I was pretty straightforward in saying that.</div> If it didn't happen in the thread, then what was the point of bringing it up? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Marion would, to me, be the most likely of the three. I understand the points about Phoenix wanting to dump salary and get young talent, but I don't see it completely making sense for either team. You made a point about Marion leaving with the player option, right? So there is some question there if he would even stay. On the Suns side, you are suggesting they want young talent, but last year they literally sold their picks for money. Could it be different this year? Yeah, it's a deep draft. I'm just not sure how much the Suns want to invest in youth when they are so close to a championship it isn't even funny.</div> Yes, this is why I really don't want Marion. Like you said that I said, he would not re-sign with Boston and we wouldn't give him the money he wants as it is. No point in giving up the #5 pick and a huge expiring deal for a 1-year quick fix to make Pierce smile. But about the Suns, it's not so much that they'd want to invest in youth, but it's mainly financial. Sure, they'd want some type of talent back in return, but the whole point of a Marion deal would be financial (luxury tax reasons).
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Jun 16 2007, 05:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If it didn't happen in the thread, then what was the point of bringing it up?Yes, this is why I really don't want Marion. Like you said that I said, he would not re-sign with Boston and we wouldn't give him the money he wants as it is. No point in giving up the #5 pick and a huge expiring deal for a 1-year quick fix to make Pierce smile. But about the Suns, it's not so much that they'd want to invest in youth, but it's mainly financial. Sure, they'd want some type of talent back in return, but the whole point of a Marion deal would be financial (luxury tax reasons).</div>I brought it up because like I said, I was going on a tirade about how I wouldn't want a trade forum. Sometimes people go off-topic.I could see why people would make a case for getting rid of Marion for such things, but I don't think it benefits them. Like I said, they are SO CLOSE. People say the Wizards and Nuggets are one piece away and I kinda have to giggle a bit, but saying the same about the Suns is true. A few tweaks could get them a championship. Unlike the Mavs, they have a player that everybody wants, has high value, and they're willing to trade him away for the right price.
