<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Diawsome @ Jun 13 2007, 06:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Mutombo played in an era where there was a decent pool of centers in the league. He played in his prime with David Robinson, Patrick Ewing, Hakeem Olajuwan, Alonzo Mourning and Shaq, not to mention the likes of Karl Malone, Dennis Rodman and Charles Barkley all playing the 4. The only one on the list who you could put Mutombo ahead of would be Zo which means there were still 4 other centers ahead of him during his own peak years. Whether it is fair or not this is something that voters look at, where he ranked compared to his peers.</div>You put Dirk as a LOCK for the HoF, and not Mutombo? He played against some of the greatest centers int eh league, and still got all of those achievements. Plus being 2nd in the all time shot block list isn't anything easy. Dirk has had one MVP, while someone like Ben Wallace, is one of the best defensive players and rebounders this league has seen
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>2nd all time 3 pointers is not very impressive since he just shoots so many.</div>That's almost like saying Reggie Miller doesn't deserve to be there because he shot so many...Ray doesn't have all the accomplishments but he is still a great shooter. If he wasn't in the situation that he was in, he would be doing a lot better.
<u>Locks</u>Shaquille O'NealAllen IversonKobe BryantTim DuncanKevin GarnettSteve NashDirk NowitzkiJason KiddGary PaytonAlonzo Mourning<u>On the line</u>Tracy McGrady -- unless he gets out of the 1st round once and pulls some historic playoff performanceChris WebberGrant HillRay Allen<u>Not quite there yet in terms of experience and/or accomplishments</u>Paul PierceLebron JamesDwyane WadeVince CarterCarmelo AnthonyI was reading something somehwere about somebody saying that there has never been a regular season MVP that didn't make the hall of fame.I don't feel like listening more players to the last list.
LocksShaqKobeDuncanGarnettIversonPaytonKiddNashLebronDirkProbablyMourning (charity work)Ray AllenMutombo (charity work)Yao (international sensation)McGradyWebber50-50Grant HillPaul PierceVince CarterBen WallaceYao MingGilbert ArenasNeed MoreJermaine O'nealPeja Stojacavich (sp)Baron DavisStephon MarburyElton BrandShawn MarionVery Slight ChanceRon ArtestAK-47Memo OkurMichael ReddGinolbliTony Parker10 Years From Now Will Be A LockLebronWadeMeloDeron WilliamsChris PaulJosh HowardDurantOdenDwight HowardAndre Iguodola
Yao Ming a 50-50 chance? Please, he is putting up great numbers as a center, and he can only get better. I'm not saying he will be the best center ever, but if you say that in 10 years Melo is a lock, you gotta go with Yao as well.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Camby23Land @ Jun 13 2007, 06:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why is Ray Allen not a lock when Dirk is? Dirk has never won any titles, sure he has an MVP, but plenty of MVP's don't make it in. Ray Allen is 2nd all time in 3 pointers and has the record for single season threes. If he wasn't on a sh*tty team all his career, he would have won a championship and if he gets traded he still can win one.</div>Actually no eligible MVP has ever missed the hall of fame :winkglasses:And Ray Allen has never been close to as good as Dirk.
If we're ranking Current players who are already in the HOF it would probably be pretty selective IE Kobe,Duncan,Shaq,Nash,maybe even Billups.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticFan @ Jun 13 2007, 07:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>actually... ever single player who is eligable and won the MVP award is in the HOF.Dirk is the 2nd best PF in the league right now (Duncan being the best)when has allen been a top 3 SG in the league.the guy can shoot the lights out and that's about all he does.he's not even know for being clutch and has seen little to no success in the playoffs.2nd all time 3 pointers is not very impressive since he just shoots so many.If Dennis Rodman isn't in for his great rebounding, why would Allen be in for 3-pt shooting and little else?</div>Of course no success in the playoffs look at his team.
Well, weren't the Bucks an ECF team with him, Cassell and Robinson at one point? He really hasn't had any good enough teams to do anything with. Oh, his Sonics team from a couple years back was pretty good too.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticFan @ Jun 13 2007, 09:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>actually... ever single player who is eligable and won the MVP award is in the HOF.Dirk is the 2nd best PF in the league right now (Duncan being the best)when has allen been a top 3 SG in the league.the guy can shoot the lights out and that's about all he does.he's not even know for being clutch and has seen little to no success in the playoffs.2nd all time 3 pointers is not very impressive since he just shoots so many.If Dennis Rodman isn't in for his great rebounding, why would Allen be in for 3-pt shooting and little else?</div>I just love how anyone who replied had no comment for this.and Rodman has 5 NBA titles to his claim to.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticFan @ Jun 14 2007, 08:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I just love how anyone who replied had no comment for this.and Rodman has 5 NBA titles to his claim to.</div>First of all it has been only 7 years since Rodman retired...he still has a great chance of making it into the hall of fame. Secondly, Rodman was arguably the greatest rebounder the game has ever seen, but he hasn't broken all of the rebounding records like Ray has with 3 pointers. And while Ray is mostly noted for his great shooting, he has more of an all around game than Rodman did, and a much better reputation (according to the Hall of Fame, the trustees are allowed to remove any candidate who "has damaged the integrity of the game of basketball").But as I said, there are still many years of oppertunity to elect Rodman to the HoF. He will definately be inducted IMO.
Amare and Marion could both make it. Providing STAT doesn't have another big injury I don't see him missing. Marion is more tricky, if he continues like he has been for another 5/6 years then I don't see how you could keep him out.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Milgod @ Jun 18 2007, 09:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Amare and Marion could both make it. Providing STAT doesn't have another big injury I don't see him missing. Marion is more tricky, if he continues like he has been for another 5/6 years then I don't see how you could keep him out.</div>Every 2nd tier star like Marion isn't a HOFer. If that was the case guys like Richard Jefferson, Jason Richardson, Rashard Lewis, Jermaine O'Neal would be hall of famers. That just isn't the case.And Amare isn't either. Every good player isn't gonna make the hall of fame.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Jun 18 2007, 03:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Every 2nd tier star like Marion isn't a HOFer. If that was the case guys like Richard Jefferson, Jason Richardson, Rashard Lewis, Jermaine O'Neal would be hall of famers. That just isn't the case.And Amare isn't either. Every good player isn't gonna make the hall of fame.</div>I said Amare because I see him getting better & better. It's not out of the question to say that Marion will get 18k points & 10k + rebounds, 1900 steals & 1400 blocks. If he does that then I think he is HOF material.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (noballer07 @ Jun 13 2007, 07:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why wouldn't Dikembe Mutombo deserve to make it? He is probably the best shot blocker of the '90s next to Olajuwan and what he does for his home country is amazing. List:Kobe BryantShaquille O'NealTim DuncanKevin GarnettSteve NashJason KiddDirk NowitzkiRay Allen- Why not? He is the second-all time in 3 pointers and holds the single season recordAlonzo MourningGrant Hill</div>Allen Iverson? The only locks of right now are:Gary PaytonJason Kidd Steve NashTim DuncanAllen IversonKobe BryantShaquille O'NealKevin GarnettLebron James (Drazen Petrovic is in after four outstanding seasons)We are talking Hall of Fame right now, guys. Pretty elite class. Adrian Dantley and Artis Gilmore, among others, aren't even in the HOF.
