Politics Fox News Legal Analyst Unloads On Trump: ‘Unlawful, Defenseless And Condemnable’

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    By Judge Andrew P. Napolitano | Fox News

    When the Department of Justice designated Robert Mueller as special counsel to take over the FBI investigation of the Trump campaign in May 2017, Mueller's initial task was to determine if there had been a conspiracy -- an illegal agreement -- between the campaign and any Russians to receive anything of value.

    When former FBI Director James Comey informed Mueller that he believed Trump fired him because he had declined Trump's order to shut down the investigation of Trump's campaign and of his former national security advisor, retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, Mueller began to investigate whether the president had unlawfully attempted to obstruct those investigations.

    We now know why Trump was so anxious for the FBI to leave Flynn alone.

    Flynn was charged and pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about whether he discussed sanctions in a telephone call with then-Russian ambassador to the United States Sergey Kislyak, before Trump became president. Such a communication could have been unlawful if it interfered with American foreign policy.

    So, when Trump learned of the lie, he fired Flynn. Yet in his plea negotiations with Mueller, Flynn revealed why he discussed sanctions with Kislyak -- because the pre-presidential Trump asked him to do so. An honest revelation by Trump could have negated Flynn's prosecution. But the revelation never came.

    Last week, Attorney General William Barr released publicly a redacted version of Mueller's final report. That report concluded that notwithstanding 127 confirmed communications between the campaign and Russians from July 2015 to November 2016 (Trump said there were none), the government could not prove the existence of a conspiracy.

    On obstruction, the report concluded that notwithstanding numerous obstructive events engaged in by the president personally, the special counsel would not charge the president and would leave the resolution of obstruction of justice to Congress. Congress, of course, cannot bring criminal charges, but it can impeach.

    Trump initially claimed that he had been completely exonerated by Mueller -- even though the word "exoneration" and the concept of DOJ exoneration are alien to our legal system. Then, after he learned of the dozen or so documented events of obstruction described in the report, Trump used a barnyard epithet to describe it.

    The Constitution prescribes treason, bribery or other high crimes and misdemeanors as the sole bases for impeachment. We know that obstruction of justice constitutes an impeachable offense under the "high crimes and misdemeanors" rubric because both presidents in the modern era who were subject to impeachment proceedings -- Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton -- were charged with obstructing justice.

    Obstruction is a rare crime that is rarely completed. Stated differently, the obstructer need not succeed in order to be charged with obstruction. That's because the statute itself prohibits attempting to impede or interfere with any government proceeding for a corrupt or self-serving purpose.

    Thus, if my neighbor tackles me on my way into a courthouse in order to impede a jury from hearing my testimony, and, though delayed, I still make it to the courthouse and testify, then the neighbor is guilty of obstruction because he attempted to impede the work of the jury that was waiting to hear me.

    Mueller laid out at least a half-dozen crimes of obstruction committed by Trump -- from asking former Deputy National Security Adviser K.T. McFarland to write an untruthful letter about the reason for Flynn's chat with Kislyak, to asking Corey Lewandowski and then-former White House Counse lDon McGahn to fire Mueller and McGahn to lie about it, to firing Comey to impede the FBI's investigations, to dangling a pardon in front of Michael Cohen to stay silent, to ordering his aides to hide and delete records.

    The essence of obstruction is deception or diversion -- to prevent the government from finding the truth. To Mueller, the issue was not if Trump committed crimes of obstruction. Rather, it was if Trump could be charged successfully with those crimes.

    Mueller knew that Barr would block an indictment of Trump because Barr has a personal view of obstruction at odds with the statute itself. Barr's view requires that the obstructer has done his obstructing in order to impede the investigation or prosecution of a crime that the obstructer himself has committed. Thus, in this narrow view, because Trump did not commit the crime of conspiracy with the Russians, it was legally impossible for Trump to have obstructed the FBI investigation of that crime.

    The nearly universal view of law enforcement, however, is that the obstruction statute prohibits all attempted self-serving interference with government investigations or proceedings. Thus, as Georgetown Professor Neal Katyal recently pointed out, former Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick was convicted of obstruction for interfering with an investigation of his extramarital affair, even though the affair was lawful.

    Famously, Martha Stewart was convicted of obstruction of an investigation into her alleged insider trading, even though the insider trading charges against her had been dismissed. And a federal appeals court recently upheld the obstruction conviction of a defendant who suborned perjury in order to impede the prosecution of the sister of a childhood friend.

    On obstruction, Barr is wrong.

    So, the dilemma for House Democrats now is whether to utilize Mueller's evidence of obstruction for impeachment. They know from history that impeachment only succeeds if there is a broad, national, bipartisan consensus behind it, no matter the weight of the evidence or presence of sophisticated legal theories.

    They might try to generate that consensus by parading Mueller's witnesses to public hearings, as House Democrats did to Nixon. Yet, when House Republicans did that to Clinton, and then impeached him, they suffered politically.

    The president's job is to enforce federal law. If he had ordered its violation to save innocent life or preserve human freedom, he would have a moral defense. But ordering obstruction to save himself from the consequences of his own behavior is unlawful, defenseless and condemnable.

    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/judge-andrew-napolitano-did-president-trump-obstruct-justice
     
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    Fox news lololololololol
     
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    The good judge is illogical.
    Perhaps he conflates logic and wants.
     
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    Still talking about the Mueller Report?

    wtf
     
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    You think Judge Ito is gonna let OJ walk?
     
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    What's illogical about what he said?
     
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    I know, Trump won't shut up about it. Everyday since it came out he tweets and talks about it. Even today at his NRA rally.
     
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    The Judge speaks of Justice as if it were an independent organization, not under the direct control of the Chief Executive.
    He disagrees with Barr on this point. Well he is wrong, and he sounds like the Democrats on this point, even repeating the same statement.
    The President is not above the law!

    The Constitution does not even mention the Justice department nor the Attorney General. Of course not the FBI either, as it came much later of dubious origins.

    So the question of, is the President above the law is a dumb question. He is the chief Law enforcement officer of the Federal Government as well as the Commander in Chief and Chief Executive of the United States. The AG and Director of the FBI only have any authority that the President grants them.
    He can fire them any day for what ever reason he may have. That may cause political problems but it should not cause a legal problem unless he does in fact
    interfere with an investigation into a crime that he committed. Richard Nixon committed that crime and would have been impeached for it if he had not resigned.

    DJT KNEW he did not commit the crime being investigated, and if he had redirected resources, including firing people, it could only be prudent management under Article II of the Constitution. It could also be a political problem, and seen as an impeachable offense, especially by those that are sure he committed the original crime for which they have no evidence. Thus these conclusions defy logic.
     
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    I totally agree Sly.
    I also think the President should keep it hot and push to find the people that began this hunt for his crime. It should never happen to another President or candidate for President. In order to make that so, the original instigators need to serve jail time to reduce the attractiveness of a coup in the eyes of future culprits.
     
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    At least you admit it was a crime.
     
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    only when taken out of context.
     
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    They are experts at that one.
     
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    Y'all are so silly with this asinine take...

    The report (does NOT exonerate your asshat president) is given to Congress and then there are hearings, subpoenas, and more hearings. Why do y'all think the report being produced:

    Ends this investigation.

    Stops the 17 other investigations.
     
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    Naps is a former Judge Judy, holds a personal grudge against Trump after Brett Kavanaugh was selected over him for the SCOTUS spot, and has agreed with many ridiculous legal views which were later overturned by SCOTUS.

    Mueller, given $30 MILLION DOLLARS and 28 hand-picked anti-Trump lawyers, determined there was no evidence of any kind to charge Trump with obstruction, likewise the DOJ.

    Just stop. You Dems lost. There's a rematch in 2020 and you're only disqualifying yourself from ever being taken seriously again.
     
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    I got two words for you guys....

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    GAZEEEEEEEE!
     
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    Why couldn't people see through this gangster before he even declared his candidacy is beyond me.
     
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    For the last time, Mueller never said that. Why can't you read what he wrote?
     

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