Politics Trump Is Spending $20 Billion on an Aircraft Carrier. The Navy Wanted That Money for Cybersecurity

Idiot

 

Future wars (and even current ones) are being won and lost by 1’s and 0’s its just the way things are now.

That said was their any mention of how much they’re spending on cyber stuff now? I didn't see it. Its not like 20B is a lot in terms of military spending these days.

 

Cyber security is where it's at as well as for the foreseeable future. If I were looking for an occupation to study for when I got out of high school it would be Computer Science with emphasis on Cyber warfare.
An aircraft carrier is nice but the cyber security is money well spent.

 

I wonder how much of the budget is set aside to paint "Donald Trump's Beautiful Penis!" on the side of the ship?

 

Well look at that. Another thing to blame Trump for.

 

Works for me. I really don't like the guy.

 

So, this wasn't Trump's decision? Did you even read the article?

 

20 billion bucks! Wow!

While we are spending money we don't have anyway we should probably just borrow another 20 billion for cyber security if that's what floats your boat.

Hopefully with that money we can invade some more countries and get dat oil! Just steal it with computers yeee haaaaw!

 

This is a bullshit story. There is something not right though. And I do believe the AirCraft Carriers time will come to pass, but perhaps not with the door slamming shut by retiring Carriers prematurely, while still building a new model (Ford Class) at 10 times the price.
Cyber security is not the same discussion, it merits it's own.

 

Yes I did. Did you?

 

Yes.

 

Said with emphasis.

 

China Joe says China is no threat.

Meanwhile, here's what they were building on his watch, while he was being hobnobbed by Geisha girls and $$$ through his son.

China is building a powerful navy to take on the US in the Pacific — here's what its arsenal looks like

• Ryan Pickrell
• Apr 30, 2019, 3:05 PM

Liaoning, China's first aircraft carrier.
REUTERS/Bobby Yip

• China's naval force is growing at an incredible rate, not just in size but also in combat capability. It's reportedly growing faster than any other great-power navy.
• The Chinese People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) is fielding a variety of new warships and submarines, as well as new weapons, to tip the scales in its favor in the region.
• Here are some of the vessels the PLAN is adding to its expanding arsenal.
• Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories.

The Chinese People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) is one of the largest naval forces in the world, and it continues to grow. More importantly, though, China is rapidly building and fielding increasingly capable naval vessels, weapons that could tip the scales in the US-dominated Pacific.

The Chinese PLAN has probably benefited the most from the country's major military-modernization plan, the goal of which is to transform the Chinese armed services into a world-class fighting force capable of defeating another great power.

In the mid-1990s, China's naval forces were weak, consisting of an almost entirely defenseless collection of just under 60 destroyers and frigates and 80 attack submarines, most of which were old diesel-electric Soviet models. The Chinese navy also had a few nuclear-powered ballistic-missile submarines, but they were extremely noisy, Rand Corp. said in a report on the development of the PLAN over the past few decades.

But the nature of China's navy is changing, both in terms of size and capability as the PLAN equips its ever-expanding fleet with more advanced weapons and sensors.

China has been churning ships out at an incredible rate. In 2016 and 2017, China commissioned 18 and 14 ships, respectively. (Some other observers have put that number even higher.) The US Navy commissioned only five and eight ships during those years. As of last year, China had more than 300 ships, far more than the US Navy. The Center for Strategic and International Studies predicts that China could have as many as 430 surface ships and 100 submarines within the next 15 years, if not sooner.

Here is what China has been and is adding to its naval arsenal, according to the Pentagon and Reuters, citing analysts.

Conventional and nuclear submarines.
Photo by Artyom Ivanov\TASS via Getty Images
The Pentagon expects China's submarine force to grow to 78 by 2020, according to the Department of Defense's (DOD) 2018 China-military-power report. Modernizing the submarine force remains a priority for the PLAN.

Type 022 Houbei missile boats.
PLAN
The Chinese PLAN has at least 60 of these stealthy guided-missile fast-attack ships, according to the Pentagon.

Type 056 Jiangdao corvettes.
樱井千一/Wikimedia Commons/ Creative Commons Attribution
"The PLAN is augmenting its littoral warfare capabilities, especially in the South China Sea and East China Sea, with high-rate production of the Jiangdao-class corvettes," DOD said. Reuters reported that the PLAN has already taken delivery of more than 40 of these ships, with as many as 60 expected to join the fleet.

Type 054 Jiangkai frigates.
REUTERS/Edgar Su
China has commissioned more than two dozen of the advanced Type 054A frigates, Reuters reported, and the country is believed to be working on an even more capable variant.

Type 052 Luyang destroyers.
Photo by Artyom Ivanov\TASS via Getty Images
The Chinese navy is believed to have anywhere between seven and 10 of these vessels in service with more on the way. Western analysts suspect that China could have as many as 20 of these ships in service by 2020, Reuters reported.

Type 055 Renhai destroyers.
Photo by Artyom Ivanov\TASS via Getty Images
China showed off the first of the new Renhai-class destroyers - large, heavily-armed vessels considered cruisers by Western standards - at its recent naval parade celebrating the 70th anniversary of the founding of the PLAN. Reuters reported that at least 12 of these ships could be in service within the next decade.
Read more: China shows off its new destroyer during massive display of naval power
Type 901 support ship.
PLA
The PLAN's relatively new supply ship is the largest in Asia and designed to strengthen China's carrier capabilities. A retired admiral previously told Chinese media that this ship could double the combat radius of a carrier group.

China launched its second Type 901 vessel in 2017, according to Reuters. Other support ships include the Type 903 replenishment ship and the Type 904 general-stores ship.

Type 075 helicopter-landing ship.
CCTV
China is building new helicopter carriers loosely based on the US Navy's amphibious assault ships, which launch helicopters and vertical takeoff and landing jets. China is expected to eventually add at least three of these ships to its naval forces.

Type 071 Yuzhao amphibious transport ship.
REUTERS/Jason Lee
China has five of these ships in service with more believed to be in the works. The fifth one was commissioned last year. The Pentagon believes production of this ship will complement efforts to produce the Type 075.

Type 001 aircraft carrier.
Stringer via Reuters
China has one operational aircraft carrier, the Type 001 Liaoning. Another carrier, the Type 001A, has completed sea trials and is expected to be commissioned this year. A third carrier believed to be a significant advancement over its predecessors is in the works.

Read more: China's aircraft carriers have a boatload of glaring weaknesses - but the next carrier could be a 'huge step forward'

 

The article is a complete lie.

It repeatedly says the Navy asked for X$ for cybersecurity... when the Navy never asked for anything other than for some nerds to gather information and write a report to inform the SOTN. The SOTN probably read the report, but it appears he was not convinced to ask that money and access be given to JP Morgan to redesign our nation's defenses.

The Report asked for lots of things, but was written by and for banking security analysts working for the biggest banks in the world.

The authors:
https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/person.asp?personId=3698846&privcapId=217250813
https://greenbank.ny.gov/About/Advisory-Committee/John-MB-OConnor
https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/person.asp?personId=186558&privcapId=4664521& Inc.
https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/person.asp?personId=419562941&privcapId=226872776

 

So you read through it and realized the money was headed to some buddies of someone and they got mad.

Probably going to Bezos. I think his 600 million dollar deal has or is ending soon.

ALEXA, NUKE THE RUSSIANS!!!

 

Whether Trump killed the premature retirement or not is not the issue in this story. We still need Carriers now but for how long is the question. We have enough for our needs out to maybe 50 years down the road. If we are now to start cutting back, then ok but let us make it the most cost effective, and scrap the new production plans. These new ships have not been paid for yet, the current ones have.
The Truman probably cost about 5b dollars, already spent. Perhaps it will take 15 or 20 more to use it over the next 28 years, but a new one
cost the cost plus the same or a bit less in operational cost. The bit less in operational will be totally lost in the new construction cost, big number before the b as apposed to the signal digit b's for the Nimitz class.