<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BluffCityBlue @ Jun 18 2007, 02:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I never said more talented or who they played against, but at the end of the day its whos won more. Duncan is more accomplished then ...although you can make a arguement about who they played in the Finals...but look at who the Spurs had to get through in the Western conference. I agree, Duncan isnt as talented as Robinson, but hes accomplished more.And if you use that arguement about competition, Russel and Chamberlain should be way lower in the lists.</div>You said Duncan accomplished more then Hakeem. The fact that Hakeem before he had turned 25 was even allowed in the same court as the legendary 80s celtics in the finals alone qualifies him as more accomplished much less his jordan-like playoff performances of the mid 90s. Moses Malone also played very much like Hakeem and even beat the dynasty lakers in their primes. Your telling me those two arent more accomplished then Duncan?
<span style="font-family:Arial">1. Wilt Chamberlain2. Shaquille O'Neal3. Kareem Abdul Jabbar4. Bill Russell5. Hakeem Olajuwon6. Tim Duncan7. Karl Malone8. Moses Malone9. David Robinson10. Charles Barkley</span>
No, I dont think so. Hes been on the all-defensive and nba teams since he was a rookie, won 3 Finals MVPs, 4 NBA Championships etc. He accomplished more, as far as championships/rings etc. Duncan plays in a conference flowing with good big men...hes just more accomplished.And like I said, if you want to bring what competition they had in this, Chamberlain and Russel could easily be 5-6 spots lower.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BluffCityBlue @ Jun 18 2007, 02:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No, I dont think so. Hes been on the all-defensive and nba teams since he was a rookie, won 3 Finals MVPs, 4 NBA Championships etc. He accomplished more, as far as championships/rings etc. Duncan plays in a conference flowing with good big men...hes just more accomplished.And like I said, if you want to bring what competition they had in this, Chamberlain and Russel could easily be 5-6 spots lower.</div>So your saying that Duncan beating the cavaliers while averaging around 15/10 is as impressive as a second year player taking his team from worst in the nba to playing one of the greatest teams ever put together and making a series of it?
He had a bad series...but all other 3 he was a MVP. And you forget what I said about the West. Its obvious that its more difficult to get through the West than to beat a Eastern conference team in the Finals. You have to look at what he did against Western conference teams, where the real competition was.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>He had a bad series...but all other 3 he was a MVP.</div><span style="font-family:Arial">How can you honestly say that Tim Duncan had a bad NBA Finals series? He didn't shoot the ball well in games 3 or 4, but he was effective in all of the other areas. He put up 18 ppg, 12 rpg, and averaged a few blocked shots.Don't forget his incredible defense either. He didn't play bad at all, just didn't score with his usual efficiency.</span>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BluffCityBlue @ Jun 18 2007, 02:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He had a bad series...but all other 3 he was a MVP. And you forget what I said about the West. Its obvious that its more difficult to get through the West than to beat a Eastern conference team in the Finals. You have to look at what he did against Western conference teams, where the real competition was.</div>You do know that Hakeem Olajuwon had a MUCH tougher route to the finals in the western conference in the 90s dont you? Who did the Spurs play this year? The Nuggets,Suns,and Jazz. Hakeem played agaist much of the same teams except the Jazz team he played starred John Stockton and Karl Malone not deron williams and carlos Boozer. Then he went on to come back from a 3-1 deficit to beat Charles Barkley and Kevin Johnson's Suns in the semifinals then finished his postseason off against the MVP David Robinson and averaged 35 PPG and 15 RPG against one of the best post players alltime leading his team to Orlando where he shut out an entire team nearly single-handedly and a prime shaq and penny hardaway. Yet you still say Duncan accomplished more? That was just one post-season of what Hakeem had to go through. You think Duncan could survive that gauntlet of great playoff teams? :HAHAHA:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC? @ Jun 18 2007, 01:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-family:Arial">How can you honestly say that Tim Duncan had a bad NBA Finals series? He didn't shoot the ball well in games 3 or 4, but he was effective in all of the other areas. He put up 18 ppg, 12 rpg, and averaged a few blocked shots.Don't forget his incredible defense either. He didn't play bad at all, just didn't score with his usual efficiency.</span></div>He shot 4-16 in one game, and 4-15 in another(both in Cleveland I think). Thats not his best Finals. Thats half of the series...it wasnt a very good series for him...sure he was affective but he has defiently played well. It was a bad series to what Duncan is custom too...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BluffCityBlue @ Jun 18 2007, 02:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He shot 4-16 in one game, and 4-15 in another(both in Cleveland I think). Thats not his best Finals.</div><span style="font-family:Arial">Game 1: 24 points, 13 rebounds, 5 blocks, 10-17 shooting.Game 2: 23 points, 9 rebounds, 8 assists, 9-16 shooting.Game 3: 14 points, 9 rebounds, 2 blocks, 6-17 shooting.Game 4: 12 points, 15 rebounds, 2 blocks, 4-15 shooting.I never said it was his best finals performance, I said it wasn't a bad series.</span>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC? @ Jun 18 2007, 02:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-family:Arial">1. Wilt Chamberlain2. Shaquille O'Neal3. Kareem Abdul Jabbar4. Bill Russell5. Hakeem Olajuwon6. Tim Duncan7. Karl Malone8. Moses Malone9. David Robinson10. Charles Barkley</span></div>So lets hear your excuse as to how you have Shaq over Kareem,Russell, and Hakeem. Also id like to hear about Duncan over Moses Malone.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jun 18 2007, 10:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Duncan in no way has accomplished more then Moses Malone or Hakeem Olajuwon. Are you out of your mind? Moses Malone and Hakeem Olajuwon played agaist Magic Johnson's Lakers,Larry Birds Celtics,The Cavaliers with Larry Nance,Mark Price AND Ron Harper(as a beast in his prime),The Hawks with Dominique Wilkins and Spud Webb,</div>HAHAHHAHA now your out of your mind. Dominique and spudd? Are you kidding? What about Tmac and Yao? Iverson and Carmello, Dirk finly and Nash , AMare and Marion and Nash, The pistons whole starting 5- ETC ETC What about half the teams around now ? your an idiot- Sometimes I think your making sense then you go and talk about the 90's teams like they are unique in thier skills and abilities but every generation thinks that. Thaere are just as many great players and combinations now as there were back then!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clangus @ Jun 18 2007, 02:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>HAHAHHAHA now your out of your mind. Dominique and spudd? Are you kidding? What about Tmac and Yao? Iverson and Carmello, Dirk finly and Nash , AMare and Marion and Nash, The pistons whole starting 5- ETC ETC What about half the teams around now ? your an idiot- Sometimes I think your making sense then you go and talk about the 90's teams like they are unique in thier skills and abilities but every generation thinks that. Thaere are just as many great players and combinations now as there were back then!</div>You really want to compare the 1980s Celtics dynasty and Lakers Dynasty to tmac and yao and iverson and carmelo and then call me idiot? You do know both those teams have never made it out of the first round!?While the lakers and celtics account for 90% of that entire decades championships!
WHoa you keep bouncing from 80's to 90's and back again. No I wouldn't compare them to those 2 teams but to all the others you mentioned Yes absolutley I would. Sorry I called you an idiot, got a bit carried away.Seriously though the other teams back then were'nt better then the "other teams" now and the stars back then aren't better.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clangus @ Jun 18 2007, 03:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>WHoa you keep bouncing from 80's to 90's and back again. No I wouldn't compare them to those 2 teams but to all the others you mentioned Yes absolutley I would. Sorry I called you an idiot, got a bit carried away.Seriously though the other teams back then were'nt better then the "other teams" now and the stars back then aren't better.</div>How did I switch from 80s to 90s?''Duncan in no way has accomplished more then Moses Malone or Hakeem Olajuwon. Are you out of your mind? Moses Malone and Hakeem Olajuwon played agaist Magic Johnson's Lakers,Larry Birds Celtics,The Cavaliers with Larry Nance,Mark Price AND Ron Harper(as a beast in his prime),The Hawks with Dominique Wilkins and Spud Webb''those are all 80s teams.Even if I compare 90s teamsOk so you compare Tmac+yao and AI+Melo to Jordan+Pip or Hakeem+ Drexler or Ewing+Starks or Malone+Stocktonits all the same thing.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clangus @ Jun 18 2007, 03:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Eweing and starks? - get off the gear!</div>You are the one who brought tmac+yao and AI+melo into the conversation as far as what you regarded as equal talent to who Moses and Hakeem faced in their careers.
Barkley should have made a lot more of your lists.The whole Duncan thing is done to death, the Duncan lovers for some reason seem to glaze over the fact that he has not had nearly as hard competition in his finals as players like Karl Malone & Hakeem had. They aren't going to change their minds, so the argument could go on for ever.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Jun 18 2007, 07:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>threads like these have no objective point, there is no one consistant agreement</div>Pretty bad grammar/spelling...It's consistent..not consistant..and you can't say "Threads like these" it's "Threads like this"Your welcome for the grammar lesson
1) Wilt Chamberlain2) Bill Russell3) Shaquille O'Neal4) Kareem Abdul-Jabber5) Hakeem Olajuwon6) Tim Duncan7) Karl Malone8) Moses Malone9) Bob Petit10) David Robinson
