<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CavsRules @ Jun 16 2007, 10:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't get why you're talking about Jordan's cast. He had one of the best players in the game, in Pippen. Top 50 players of all-time, and Bryant had Shaq. But...Yeah, who does LeBron James have? Larry Hughes? As much as I love the guy, hes no Pippen, and hes def. no Shaq.</div>And Mike Brown is definatly no Phil Jackson...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CavsRules @ Jun 16 2007, 10:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wait... Who's comparing him to Jordan? Or Kobe? I know I'm not, I'm just trying to prove my point that LeBron is easily top 3 in the NBA. Which KB24 seems to be high and thinks otherwise. I'm not saying he should be called God for one great game, I brought that game up because everyone seems to bash him for not hitting big shots. Well, hows 29 of you're teams last 30? Good enough? Oh wait, now that he did something great we have to move past it? I don't understand, if he missed a lot of big shots in that game, you would be eating those stats alive right now. But no, it's the other way around so we all have to move past it. Doesn't make sense to me. LeBron was fouled, and he ALMOST made a deep, deep 3 to tie the game. He got pushed, nothing else you can do. The Spurs were aiming to foul him at the start, so the Ref should've called a freaking foul. I believe thats what he gets paid to do, correct?Now, I know you haven't watched many Cavalier games. :HAHAHA: :HAHAHA: Gooden makes it every time, LMFAO! That a complete joke? Sometimes he shoots 6/7, or whatever and has a great game. But normally, Gooden is shooting horrible. I'm honestly shocked he stepped in and knocked down those shots. We don't run plays on offense, but I can't blame Mike Brown for that, because it's LeBron's fault.. right? Sasha was never that "good" player you're talking about. I've seen this guy play, he is an alright shooter, but nothing more. LeBron James told everyone to not give up on him, and Sasha worked harder and now hes a lot better. Same goes for Gibson, LeBron told the rook to shoot and thats exactly that the rookie did. Shoot. Once again, LeBron James helped Gibson find the way. Z is worthless unless he is shooting that 18-footer, please, don't start with him. I love the guy, but he tries to work down-low and he never scores. Not really, every time LeBron has the ball the team normally just sits and stars at him regardless if he is hot, or not. Take it from a guy that has watched this cast for years, and that was watched every game of LeBron James since he started out as a rookie. This supporting cast, of LeBron's. Isn't going to bring a title to Cleveland, LeBron had 3-4 guys on him whenever he was going into the paint, but he had no help. No one could hit a wide open shot, not one person. Hell, Game 4 Marshall air-balled a wide open three.</div>Who's comparing him to Jordan? Hmm. About 75%+ NBA fans. Yes, scoring 29 of 30 is incredible, but as stated, IT'S JUST ONE GAME. How many other examples can you provide of him achieving something near that? Rule of thumb: Never rely on the refs to bail you out. What happens? LeBron thinks the ref is going to call something and throws up a prayer. He relied on the refs and the Cav fans are throwing a pity party because of it. You're supposed to dribble in and get momentum to get off a much higher percentage shot then what he did.Drew Gooden has the mid range. You don't think I was watching the playoffs. Don't assume you are right because you watch every Cavs game. Heck, don't ever assume you're right. The common excuse for LeBron is him not having a supporting cast. Look at what Kobe has/ had: Odom, Brown, Smush, Walton, Farmar; you see much difference in talent level? Do you see the world making excuses for his supporting cast. Not one bit.LOL Marshall airballed an open three, omg, he's the worst player to step on the floor. Oh, I guess because LeBron a-balled a free throw means he isn't a good player at all. Bruce Bowen tossed up an a-bomb in the Finals when he was open. Lame excuse.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CavsRules @ Jun 16 2007, 10:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I agree that LeBron should take it to the rim more, but the it's not like the guy gets any calls. He isn't D-Wade where he steps into the paint and the refs are already to blow. James needs to work on his mid-range game this off-season, because I'm sure he'll get it done sooner or later.</div>Yeah, LeBron gets no calls. Whatever. Keep thinking that. lol. Every star gets their fair share of calls. Whether the fans want to think so is up to themselves.
If only we can go into the database and look for the category "Kobe homers" and then click Delete. Half the retarded posts are by Kobe homers.Edit: I mean 95%. Not half.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CavsRules @ Jun 16 2007, 10:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't get why you're talking about Jordan's cast. He had one of the best players in the game, in Pippen. Top 50 players of all-time, and Bryant had Shaq. But...Yeah, who does LeBron James have? Larry Hughes? As much as I love the guy, hes no Pippen, and hes def. no Shaq.</div>I'm not even comparing the supporting cast talent wise. It's not even a comparison, no joke. What I'm comparing is how the supporting cast of these two superstars got a tendency to just stare and watch. That's what Jackson said hurt his team the most when MJ returned after his brief retirement and that led to decreased execution on the offensive end. When you stand and watch, you aren't running a set offense and no one is doing anything to get a good look under the rim or get you out of trouble. That's what happens in Cleveland, players stand in awe, they watch and once LeBron cools down, the team is completely out of rhythm.An example of a nice play the Cavs ran for a little while was LeBron coming off a pick around the block and catching the ball not as far from the basket as where he usually was. What this game him was options and the players got involved in the play. LeBron could post up from there or do what he does best and draw attention and find the cutter under the basket. It was so successful it wasn't even funny. Then, magically, they quit running the play after LeBron layed up twice in a row, the latter sending him to the line for a three point play. It gave LeBron momentum, but the team lost rhythm.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Let Em Hear This @ Jun 16 2007, 10:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If only we can go into the database and look for the category "Kobe homers" and then click Delete. Half the retarded posts are by Kobe homers.Edit: I mean 95%. Not half.</div>Considering I don't like Kobe one bit, that wouldn't apply to me.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CavsRules @ Jun 16 2007, 10:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I agree that LeBron should take it to the rim more, but the it's not like the guy gets any calls. He isn't D-Wade where he steps into the paint and the refs are already to blow. James needs to work on his mid-range game this off-season, because I'm sure he'll get it done sooner or later.</div>Give me a break, LeBron gets his star treatment. If he didn't, every other play from him would be a travel or an offensive foul. And Wade does have a midrange shot and does shoot it, but unlike Bron he doesn't rely heavily on it unless he absolutely has to. And when he does, he sets himself and takes a balanced shot, thus he shoots 5% better from midrange than LeBron.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Let Em Hear This @ Jun 16 2007, 10:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If only we can go into the database and look for the category "Kobe homers" and then click Delete. Half the retarded posts are by Kobe homers.Edit: I mean 95%. Not half.</div>Only one Kobe homer has made a post in this topic and that was the first post. So, I don't get where you're coming from.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrizzFanTaylor @ Jun 16 2007, 10:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Only one Kobe homer has made a post in this topic and that was the first post. So, I don't get where you're coming from.</div>He thinks anyone who sticks up for Kobe whatsoever is a homer. I don't get where he is coming from with half his posts, so you're not alone.
[quote name='kadillak' post='382167' date='Jun 16 2007, 11:40 PM']Who's comparing him to Jordan? Hmm. About 75%+ NBA fans. Yes, scoring 29 of 30 is incredible, but as stated, IT'S JUST ONE GAME. How many other examples can you provide of him achieving something near that?[/quote]I'm one of the people that don't really care who is comparing who, I just wanna win a ring. Something Cleveland never had. Its just one game? I've seen LeBron takeover many games, he hasn't done that in the playoffs[in his 2 years of being there] but I've seen him do it many times. Not just "one game", you need to open you're eyes.[quote name='kadillak' post='382167' date='Jun 16 2007, 11:40 PM']Rule of thumb: Never rely on the refs to bail you out. What happens? LeBron thinks the ref is going to call something and throws up a prayer. He relied on the refs and the Cav fans are throwing a pity party because of it. You're supposed to dribble in and get momentum to get off a much higher percentage shot then what he did.[/quote]Everyone KNEW it was a foul, Bruce Bowen said it himself and the Ref was right there looking at the f*cking play. Bowen pushed him while James was going up for the 3, and it should've been a foul. Case closed.[quote name='kadillak' post='382167' date='Jun 16 2007, 11:40 PM']Drew Gooden has the mid range. You don't think I was watching the playoffs. Don't assume you are right because you watch every Cavs game. Heck, don't ever assume you're right. The common excuse for LeBron is him not having a supporting cast. Look at what Kobe has/ had: Odom, Brown, Smush, Walton, Farmar; you see much difference in talent level? Do you see the world making excuses for his supporting cast. Not one bit.[/quote]Gooden can shoot that mid-range shot, yes.. But can he do it like you think he can? Hellllllll no! Gooden can never seem to get that shot going when the Cavaliers need it the most, either. He hits it here and there, and thats pretty much it. I'm not comparing him to Kobe Bryant, so you can keep throwing him in this post. I know LeBron isn't better than Kobe, nor Jordan... Yet I think you think I am comparing the three. [quote name='kadillak' post='382167' date='Jun 16 2007, 11:40 PM']LOL Marshall airballed an open three, omg, he's the worst player to step on the floor. Oh, I guess because LeBron a-balled a free throw means he isn't a good player at all. Bruce Bowen tossed up an a-bomb in the Finals when he was open. Lame excuse.[/quote]Stupid. I was simply pointing out a play where the guy was wide open and missed an open shot. Our so called "good" supporting cast, isn't so great. Again, you're comparing LeBron to Kobe, and I'm simply not.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Jun 16 2007, 11:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Give me a break, LeBron gets his star treatment. If he didn't, every other play from him would be a travel or an offensive foul. And Wade does have a midrange shot and does shoot it, but unlike Bron he doesn't rely heavily on it unless he absolutely has to. And when he does, he sets himself and takes a balanced shot, thus he shoots 5% better from midrange than LeBron.</div>LeBron sure does, matter fact.. I loved it when he shot 0 free-throws in game 1 against Detroit in ECF.. And game two only 7... D-Wade beat LeBron in Free-Throws in one game through out the whole series.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CavsRules @ Jun 16 2007, 11:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>LeBron sure does, matter fact.. I loved it when he shot 0 free-throws in game 1 against Detroit in ECF.. And game two only 7... D-Wade beat LeBron in Free-Throws in one game through out the whole series.</div>Wade is also a drive first, then shoot the jumper kind of player, while LeBron seems to be the opposite. Yes, LeBron does drive, but not as much as Wade. I could be wrong, but that's what I see when I watch them. It's easier to get fouls when you're in the lane than when you're shooting the jumper. Every star gets their fair share of calls. I really don't like it when fans bring the refs into arguments.
I don't know about the worst TEAM. But probably the worst performance. I blame Mike Brown. But in terms of worst team, I don't know. Look at the Nets lineup against the Lakers:Jason KiddKenyon MartinKeith Van Horn Kerry KittlesTodd MacCulloch
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrizzFanTaylor @ Jun 17 2007, 12:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wade is also a drive first, then shoot the jumper kind of player, while LeBron seems to be the opposite. Yes, LeBron does drive, but not as much as Wade. I could be wrong, but that's what I see when I watch them. It's easier to get fouls when you're in the lane than when you're shooting the jumper. Every star gets their fair share of calls. I really don't like it when fans bring the refs into arguments.</div>I agree that every star gets their fair share of calls, but IMO LeBron James and Kobe Bryant get the short hand of the stick, most of the time. I don't like to bring the Refs into this argument, but then again.. I didn't.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CavsRules @ Jun 16 2007, 11:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>LeBron sure does, matter fact.. I loved it when he shot 0 free-throws in game 1 against Detroit in ECF.. And game two only 7... D-Wade beat LeBron in Free-Throws in one game through out the whole series.</div>You seem to think that refs favoring players extends to only getting fouls called (which Wade drives considerably more than Bron and is better at intitiating contact/playing the call to the refs). Bron gets away with a crapload of travels, carries, double dribbles, offensive fouls, etc... Every superstar gets bailed out in some way, shape or form. Some more than others, and Bron is one of the players that gets favored more than others.
Because LeBron doesn't flop, like Wade does. Sometimes he doesn't even get touched going into the paint and he gets a call. LeBron may get away with some travels here and there, but it doesn't take away from the fact he takes a beaten when going to the rim. Everyone wonders why James settles for jumpers here and there, well.. Who likes going into the paint and taking a beating and not getting a call? I know I wouldn't.
I didnt get to see the last 3 games because I was out of the country, but the finals hasnt been swept in a very long time, so you can make a good case. I will say one thing though...The Spurs were playing amazing throughout the entire playoffs. I dont think anybody expected this to even be a series, and I dont think many would have expected any team from the east to give SA a great series...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CavsRules @ Jun 17 2007, 01:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Because LeBron doesn't flop, like Wade does. Sometimes he doesn't even get touched going into the paint and he gets a call. LeBron may get away with some travels here and there, but it doesn't take away from the fact he takes a beaten when going to the rim. Everyone wonders why James settles for jumpers here and there, well.. Who likes going into the paint and taking a beating and not getting a call? I know I wouldn't.</div>He gets 9FTA per game, and is consistently near the top of the league in FTA. Even last year he was settling too much for jumpers. If he is afraid of not getting a foul called at rim, he is still strong enough to where it is a higher % shot than his 34% midrange jumpshot or 32% 3pt shot.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I didnt get to see the last 3 games because I was out of the country, but the finals hasnt been swept in a very long time, so you can make a good case. I will say one thing though...The Spurs were playing amazing throughout the entire playoffs. I dont think anybody expected this to even be a series, and I dont think many would have expected any team from the east to give SA a great series...</div>I think the Pistons, Heat (healthy), Bulls and Nets would have all given the Spurs a better series for the fact that none of those teams rely soley on one player to win the games as much as the Cavs do. When you have multiple weapons, it is a lot harder for the team to zero in on you defensively.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CavsRules @ Jun 17 2007, 01:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Because LeBron doesn't flop, like Wade does. Sometimes he doesn't even get touched going into the paint and he gets a call. LeBron may get away with some travels here and there, but it doesn't take away from the fact he takes a beaten when going to the rim. Everyone wonders why James settles for jumpers here and there, well.. Who likes going into the paint and taking a beating and not getting a call? I know I wouldn't.</div>Tony Parker goes to the rim relentlessly even though he gets a pounding. You're saying Wade flops? What the?
^ That a joke? The guy goes into the paint and gets a little bump he goes flying. The Refs are so stupid enough to fall for it so they call it a foul.
