<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Jun 18 2007, 01:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>KobeBryant24, shut upYou're ruining yourself, it's called self destruction, believe me I know, quit participating in this topic</div>Are you f*cking kidding me dude? Your the worst member here of all-time, sit down son.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>That series was pathetic. LeBron is not the best player in the NBA, he is not even top 5. Kobe is by far number 1, then you got guys around like Dwayne Wade, Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, Steve Nash, ect... I think LeBron is really overrated, sorry. Yeah he got the team to the Finals, but it really was an easy road, besides Detroit, getting past the Arenasless Wizards, and the Nets weren't something to throw your arms in the air about. LeBron is not MJ, LeBron is not Kobe. I'm sick of people saying wait until he is Kobe's age, he will be better, no he won't. Kobe at age 22, 3 NBA Championships, LeBron at age 22, 0-4 NBA Finals record</div>They were not the worst team in NBA Finals History. They were a good team in the worst timing in NBA Finals History. The Cavs proved that they could beat a good team when they beat the Pistons but imo the Finals are a different story. Yeah I know I said something different not to long ago but now I realize that the Finals is completly different then the beginning of the playoffs and the season. In the finals you are going to have to come with your A game every night and push as hard as you can to win every game you can. Especially when your a team with only one player having NBA Finals experience playing against a season verterian team like San Antonio who has been there and won it all 3 times (at the time lol) not to mention the fact that they have pkayers like Horry who have been there before with other teams so it would be nearly impossible for such a team like the Cavs to of won a single game even if it was a 50 game series. But I believe Lebron and the Cavs will get back to the finals someday and when they do they will be ready. It may not be next year it may not be in the next 3 years but I think he'll get back there someday and when he does it will be great.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KobeBryant_24 @ Jun 16 2007, 09:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That series was pathetic. LeBron is not the best player in the NBA, he is not even top 5. Kobe is by far number 1, then you got guys around like Dwayne Wade, Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, Steve Nash, ect... I think LeBron is really overrated, sorry. Yeah he got the team to the Finals, but it really was an easy road, besides Detroit, getting past the Arenasless Wizards, and the Nets weren't something to throw your arms in the air about. LeBron is not MJ, LeBron is not Kobe. I'm sick of people saying wait until he is Kobe's age, he will be better, no he won't. Kobe at age 22, 3 NBA Championships, LeBron at age 22, 0-4 NBA Finals record.</div>Kobe since Shaq left, hasn't gotten out of the first round. You fail. You're a hater. Go back to your pathetic existence of hoping and wishing that the Lakers will come back to greatness, and enjoy Kobe while you still have him, you'll lose in the first round again next year and won't be back in the playoffs for quite some time when Kobe opts out of his contract next summer.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kadillak @ Jun 16 2007, 11:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Because maybe he knows the outside shot is not his game and it is low percentage for him right now in his career. LeBron should know that he isn't too hot from downtown so he should use some decision making and make it a habit of going to the rim more often. In a couple of games during the playoffs LeBron put up around 25 points, but put up 20+ shots. That's a very low percentage and he should adapt to that and attack the rim and take the higher percentage shot.</div>How does LeBron get criticized for than when that is the AI and Kobe special? Are you kidding? That's all those two guy do, score 25 but take 20 shots. As far as LeBron taking jumpers and not going to the hole every single time...It's tough when you're the only player on the team who is more then average offensively, when everytime you're within 10 feet of the rim, you're getting banged around by 2+ people...So he pulls up and takes some jumpers sometimes..It's difficult to drive over and over and over again getting fouled and hit every single time, it's amazing he never gets injured. LeBron's jumper will come, he promised that he was going to get better..I think the first year that Jordan went to the NBA finals, he hit like 26 three's the entire year, and without looking at LeBron's stats I think he hit around 120 threes this year.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kadillak @ Jun 16 2007, 11:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Rule of thumb: Never rely on the refs to bail you out. What happens? LeBron thinks the ref is going to call something and throws up a prayer. He relied on the refs and the Cav fans are throwing a pity party because of it. You're supposed to dribble in and get momentum to get off a much higher percentage shot then what he did.</div>No one was relying on the refs...A foul is a foul. What, do you think he purposely made it a 3 point game at the end to try and draw a foul and get 3 FT's? Was he planning before the game, "OK guys, try to keep it within 3 points with about 5 seconds left, that's when I'm going to rely on the ref to give me a foul call so I can get 3 FT's, don't bother trying to win the game in regulation and not have to hit any FT's down the stretch, I think the best strategy is to just rely on the refs."
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Jun 17 2007, 11:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think the Pistons, Heat (healthy), Bulls and Nets would have all given the Spurs a better series for the fact that none of those teams rely soley on one player to win the games as much as the Cavs do. When you have multiple weapons, it is a lot harder for the team to zero in on you defensively.</div>I dont understand how you can actually say that and mean it...I can understand saying the Pistons becasue they are a more experienced team, they are veterans, and they are better than Cleveland IMO, but the rest of the teams? The nets lost to the cavs in the playoffs, the bulls got beat by the pistons who lost to cleveand pretty badly, and the heat got killed in the first round. This was just the Spurs year and no team from the east would have given the Spurs a good series. The Spurs would have swept Miami, New Jersey, and maybe Chicago, and I think that Detroit would have taken it to 5. The Spurs just played that well in the playoffs....I dont think its anything you can take away from Lebron or Cleveland.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KobeBryant_24 @ Jun 18 2007, 01:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>OMG, your a real piece of work. You just said LeBron doesn't have talent like Kobe did, BUT when Kobe started taking the NBA by storm was when he had sh*tty teammates, still does for the most part, but he continues to do some impressive individual things helping his team. LeBron would suck on the Lakers playing in a real conference with the guys we got.</div>You need to make yourself more clear.If you put Kobe on Cleveland (in place of LBJ), Cleveland would have made it a series, but they would have still lost.If you put LBJ on the Lakers with Shaq, Horry, and Fisher, The Lakers would have still won the same amount of titles.Kobe is the best player in the league, but he is also more experienced in the playoffs.If Lebron was, say, two years older, and on the Lakers of right now, he would make them a 7-8 seed. But only problem is that he plays the same position as Luke Walton and Lamar Odom. It doesn't matter how good of a player you are. It's your teammates that mostly determine how well you do. "No I in Team?'
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Jun 18 2007, 07:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I dont understand how you can actually say that and mean it...I can understand saying the Pistons becasue they are a more experienced team, they are veterans, and they are better than Cleveland IMO, but the rest of the teams? The nets lost to the cavs in the playoffs, the bulls got beat by the pistons who lost to cleveand pretty badly, and the heat got killed in the first round. This was just the Spurs year and no team from the east would have given the Spurs a good series. The Spurs would have swept Miami, New Jersey, and maybe Chicago, and I think that Detroit would have taken it to 5. The Spurs just played that well in the playoffs....I dont think its anything you can take away from Lebron or Cleveland.</div>Nets lost to the Cavs because of their lack of rebounding going up against the best offensive rebounding team in the league (and also a game 4 collapse by the Nets). With multiple scoring options, they would have had a better shot than Cleveland due to the Spurs easily being able to contain the Cavs' one threat in the series. The Bulls were a better team than the Cavs IMO, more scoring options, deeper bench, and much better defense. Hinrich is one of the best pewrimeter defenders in the league and would have given Parker trouble just like he does Wade, and Wallace could man up against Duncan. And the Heat, when HEALTHY (which I stated), are the best team in the East and would have given the Spurs the most trouble out of any of the other East teams IMO. No series would go past 6, but I feel those 4 other teams would have put up a better fight than the Cavs, who primarily got to the Finals because of perfect matchups along the way. That's not to take away from Bron or Cleveland, as it isn't their fault that they had very generous matchups to get to the Finals, but I just feel those 4 other teams would have done betteragainst SA.
u know whatheres what I have to sayweve got cavaliersa f*cking underdog teamversing a dynasty [spurs]who the F*ck are u guys to say thatcavs are the best ?THE BEST?are u guys on crack,celtics are the bestI dont like them but they arelook how many championships theyve wonu cant say cavs are a great teamcause its just bullsh**who do cavs have ?cmon lebron ?lebron cant even touch nate robinsonwhat makes u think he can touch parker,duncan,finley & ginoboliTHERES NO f*cking CHANCEand there wasntspurs deserved itF*ck CAVS.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (2leo @ Jun 18 2007, 05:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>u know whatheres what I have to sayweve got cavaliersa f*cking underdog teamversing a dynasty [spurs]who the F*ck are u guys to say thatcavs are the best ?THE BEST?are u guys on crack,celtics are the bestI dont like them but they arelook how many championships theyve wonu cant say cavs are a great teamcause its just bullsh**who do cavs have ?cmon lebron ?lebron cant even touch nate robinsonwhat makes u think he can touch parker,duncan,finley & ginoboliTHERES NO f*cking CHANCEand there wasntspurs deserved itF*ck CAVS.</div>I don't even need to say anyting. I think you just owned yourself....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (2leo @ Jun 18 2007, 05:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>u know whatheres what I have to sayweve got cavaliersa f*cking underdog teamversing a dynasty [spurs]who the F*ck are u guys to say thatcavs are the best ?THE BEST?are u guys on crack,celtics are the bestI dont like them but they arelook how many championships theyve wonu cant say cavs are a great teamcause its just bullsh**who do cavs have ?cmon lebron ?lebron cant even touch nate robinsonwhat makes u think he can touch parker,duncan,finley & ginoboliTHERES NO f*cking CHANCEand there wasntspurs deserved itF*ck CAVS.</div>You might want to read the thread again, champ.
The Nets had a pretty easy road to the conference finals then I guess...If they could have gotten there, oops.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pronk48 @ Jun 19 2007, 06:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Nets had a pretty easy road to the conference finals then I guess...If they could have gotten there, oops.</div>Nets also got stuck with their worst possible matchup in the semi's and didn't have their only low post scorer for 3/4 of the year, including the playoffs. The playoffs are all about matchups. For example if the Mavs faced the Spurs this year they would have likely won the series, yet they were knocked out first round by a team they simply matched up horribly with, whom the Spurs would have taken out. The Suns would have likely beaten the Mavs (IMO), but they lost to the Spurs, who would have likely lost to those same Mavs.See what I am getting at? All 4 of those other Eastern Conference teams I mentioned would have matched up a lot better than the Cavs did, thuis having a better shot of having a better series.
