I actually heard a rumor after the draft lottery from a local sports station of a KG, Hassel, and the 5th pick for Amare and the 24th pick. I seriously think that trade could help more than hurt
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Suns Fan Guy @ Jun 17 2007, 07:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I actually heard a rumor after the draft lottery from a local sports station of a KG, Hassel, and the 5th pick for Amare and the 24th pick. I seriously think that trade could help more than hurt</div>That seems like a rip for the Wolves. Garnett>Amare IMO and then they are giving away a top 5 pick to go along with Hassell. I don't know...
Marion didn't carry anything. He can't create for himself. When Nash was out this year Amare stepped up and played great. Marion and Amare aren't even comparable on offense. What do you mean more versatility? His 31% 3-point shooting? I wish he wouldn't even try those. And Amare's mid-range jumper is much better than anything Marion does away from the basket. Amare gets 3-point plays, Marion misses floaters from 6 feet away. Amare is one of the top scoring big men in the league, Marion cleans up trash and takes alley-oops.You say Amare may have outshined Marion in the playoffs like it's nothing, but that's huge. The playoffs are all that matter and Amare is a much better player during that time. Marion is supposed to be a versatile defensive player, but he gets torched by anyone at any position he faces and he isn't able to go back and score on them like Amare can. Parker, Duncan, Josh Howard, Lamar Odom and Dirk Nowitzki have all owned him in the playoffs recently. And not in this year's playoffs but before Manu has also. So even his defense isn't there when we need it the most. Rebounding, like I said, he's not better than Amare either. After the all-star break, as he was starting to get in the shape he was in before the injury, Amare proved he's as good or a better rebounder than Marion. Marion could jump higher, but Amare still grabbed more rebounds.During the regular season, with Amare working the whole time trying to get close to what he was, they were equal. During the playoffs, the most important time, Amare is just a much, much better player. Next year he'll have an even better year because he'll be as close as ever to what he was pre-surgery and it'll be even more obvious for those who don't follow the team that much, who is the better player.Playoff StatsMarion: 11 games, 186 points, 50%FG, 66%FT, 114 rebounds, 13 assists, 12 TO's, 16 steals, 19 blocksAmare: 10 games, 253 points, 52.3%FG, 76.9%FT, 121 rebounds, 6 assists, 19TO's, 13 steals, 19 blocksBoth were defensively throughout except for 1 good defensive game in the Spurs series by Marion, Amare was a much better scorer, better in the end of close games(Marion was no where to be seen). Steals would be about equal even though Marion is usually much better in the regular season, blocks would still be pretty equal. Only thing Marion was really better at was getting 1 more assist a game and not turning the ball over too much, although Amare did get the ball more and for good reason.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ Jun 17 2007, 07:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That seems like a rip for the Wolves. Garnett>Amare IMO and then they are giving away a top 5 pick to go along with Hassell. I don't know...</div>No, Garnett is 31 and the T-Wolves won't ever be competing with him while he's good. Amare is 24 and our future. I would be really pissed if that trade would happen. It would not work anyways because of the salary. But Amare has more value in a trade. Saw that they'd also give the #5 pick, but I still don't like that trade much and it still wouldn't work I don't think.
We are basically agreeing just in a different way. You bring up some good points but as you said they were equal this regular season with a slight edge to Marion. As I said before likely with these months off to further work out, Amare will likely be back in the shape he was before the injury but I stand by that as of june 17 at 1106 PM Marion is better. Amare played better in two series of the entire season which were very important times but collectively that was only 10-11 games out of a total of 90+ if you dont count the preseason. Other that that, this was a year of rebuilding for Amare.
I didn't say a slight edge to Marion, I'd actually say an edge to Amare and 95% of Suns fans would agree, take out Sunsfanguy and S2S and you got 96% . But the playoffs are what matter to me and Marion doesn't touch Amare there and really never has, really, never.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jun 17 2007, 09:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>San Antonio is an excellent defense, you cant judge a player just off one series or Lebron would just be an above average sf. Marion has proven night in night out you have to respect his offense or he can burn you with a jumper,a three, or a dunk. I dont believe his game is solely based off Nash although Nash opens up the offense for everyone. That year you are talking about the Suns also missed the playoffs so like I said Amare hasnt led the suns to anything yet(although he has all the potential in the world) the only reason I would pick Marion as of today is that Amare just came off an injury. If we are asking who is better next season then id probably agree Amare is better. Marion is more then just a good roleplayer though, he is a star player is his own ways and as far as whatever defense the suns have it is run through him.</div>He also burned SA this year as well....Marion cannot create for hismelf...period. he is an average spot up shooter, a guy whose halfcourt offense depends totally on teammates getting him the ball in a psoition where he can immediately score or has an open lane. He is a great rebounder for his size, but Amare can also grab you 10RPG. He is definately a better defender than Amare, but he is not a lockdown defender who will anchor your defense, thus not making up for the big offensive difference between the 2.Amare was hurt most of the season in 03-04 before Marbury was traded. By the time he was healthy, they were well udner .500 and Marbury was gone and they didn't get much in return. But they were around .500 the 2nd half of the season and he was doing an awesome job leading his team. Amare is a 26-28/10 on over 50% shooting guy right now if you make him your #1 option on offense and give him enough touches. Marion is a great all around player, but he will never be fit for being a first option or person to carry any team like Amare can be right this second...that makes this an easy arguement IMO.
Also, Marion had never burned anyone with his 3's. I cringe every time I see him put one up. He also has no mid-range game. And it's not judging him on one series. It was also last season against the Mavs and half the Lakers series. The year before against the Spurs...pretty much the biggest series. And before these few seasons he was a big time choker in the playoffs. He's just now had some success against the weaker playoff opponents not that we've finally had a high seed in the playoffs.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Jun 17 2007, 11:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He also burned SA this year as well....Marion cannot create for hismelf...period. he is an average spot up shooter, a guy whose halfcourt offense depends totally on teammates getting him the ball in a psoition where he can immediately score or has an open lane. He is a great rebounder for his size, but Amare can also grab you 10RPG. He is definately a better defender than Amare, but he is not a lockdown defender who will anchor your defense, thus not making up for the big offensive difference between the 2.Amare was hurt most of the season in 03-04 before Marbury was traded. By the time he was healthy, they were well udner .500 and Marbury was gone and they didn't get much in return. But they were around .500 the 2nd half of the season and he was doing an awesome job leading his team. Amare is a 26-28/10 on over 50% shooting guy right now if you make him your #1 option on offense and give him enough touches. Marion is a great all around player, but he will never be fit for being a first option or person to carry any team like Amare can be right this second...that makes this an easy arguement IMO.</div>I am Judging as this season as a whole. If you are saying at the start of this season Amare could carry any team to the playoffs by himself you are out of your mind. As the season progressed he steadily showed signs of coming back to him old self but my original point wasnt to go into a deep comparison of the two but point out Marion had a better season and a much better season then Amare last year not that he is a better player career-wise IE my choice of words as saying ''this second, and not next year''
A much better season? That's just not true. As starters they were pretty equal in what they gave us on paper, Marion was better on defense and Amare was better on offense, but see...at the end of games Amare was more of a factor. I don't think Amare at the start of the season could carry a team, but after the all-star break, yes, and much better than Marion could.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Jun 17 2007, 11:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>A much better season? That's just not true. As starters they were pretty equal in what they gave us on paper, Marion was better on defense and Amare was better on offense, but see...at the end of games Amare was more of a factor. I don't think Amare at the start of the season could carry a team, but after the all-star break, yes, and much better than Marion could.</div>I said a much better season last year when Amare played around 10 games and played horribly in most of them. This year I said he was a better player but it was closer but as far as the season as a whole I think he played better although both are comparable.
Well Amare played 3 games and barely played in 1 of them so you can't really use last season. He shouldn't have even been on the court.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jun 17 2007, 10:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I am Judging as this season as a whole. If you are saying at the start of this season Amare could carry any team to the playoffs by himself you are out of your mind. As the season progressed he steadily showed signs of coming back to him old self but my original point wasnt to go into a deep comparison of the two but point out Marion had a better season and a much better season then Amare last year not that he is a better player career-wise IE my choice of words as saying ''this second, and not next year''</div>Amare was the leading scorer on the team, had one of the highest FG % in whole league, and close to what Marion gave in rebounds. Yes, he wasn't himself the first month or so of the seaosn, but after that he was as good as he had ever been. By mid season I could EASILY call him the better player than Marion, and when Nash went down and the playoffs just further solidifies my point.As I said, without Nash Amare can be a franchise player and superstar right this second. Marion will never be more than a very good, all around all star ROLE PLAYER...that makes all the difference in this arguement.
I really give jack sh*t about these trade talks. Most people dont understand how hard is it to make a move like that. Thats a major blockbluster move, for both teams. It would have to be done at least a month before training camp, and would require more than just a rumour. I dont think this will happen, or the boston trade, unless I see something convincing.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Jun 17 2007, 11:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Amare was the leading scorer on the team, had one of the highest FG % in whole league, and close to what Marion gave in rebounds. Yes, he wasn't himself the first month or so of the seaosn, but after that he was as good as he had ever been. By mid season I could EASILY call him the better player than Marion, and when Nash went down and the playoffs just further solidifies my point.As I said, without Nash Amare can be a franchise player and superstar right this second. Marion will never be more than a very good, all around all star ROLE PLAYER...that makes all the difference in this arguement.</div>Sorry but thats very misleading. He lead the team by roughly 1 or 2 points. And for most of the season, Nash was leading the team.
Led the team by 2 points and 4% shooting while not being close to his best half the year because of his knee. He is that best scorer on the team. As a starter and after the all-star break it's over 3 points.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Jun 18 2007, 03:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sorry but thats very misleading. He lead the team by roughly 1 or 2 points. And for most of the season, Nash was leading the team.</div>As ASUFan said, he started off poorly yet still led team with over 20PPG on around 57% shooting. With Nash out, and in playoffs, he proved that he was clearly the best scorer on the team.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Boston's Danny Ainge has acknowledged discussing Garnett possibilities with the Wolves, and the Suns, according to NBA front-office sources, are talking to them, as well. After three straight seasons out of the playoffs with Garnett, it appears Minnesota finally has realized it must consider dealing Garnett and starting over because it lacks the trade assets or salary-cap flexibility to significantly improve the cast around him</div>0_0I love the offseason.
