Politics My libertarian view on banning abortion

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  1. dviss1

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    98% of Catholic women use birth control.
     
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    No...just the decimimation of Sodom and Gamorrah. Two cities of gay people.

    The word abortion is not in the bible either
     
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    As mentioned, I agree with your viewpoint. If you don't believe in Jesus, I seem like a fool and the Bible seems foolish as you explained previously.
     
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    No, I do believe in Jesus. I just don't believe he's a God nor that he was immaculately conceived. Even your bible says that. There are many passages in the bible that deflate the whole Trinitarian bull.

    Here's one:

    John 5:16 KJV
    But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.

    John 5:16 NIV
    In his defense Jesus said to them, "My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.

    The Catholic Church left out the Gospel of Mary and tried to paint her as a whore when she was really Jesus' WIFE.
     
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    Judgement came to Sodom and Gomorrah because the actions of the people violated God's law. Yes, God's law does say homosexual acts are an abomination. That is God's Word, as stated previously. I love ALL people, no matter their actions. You may see it as a conflict, I get that.
     
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    You talk about your bible's law but don't know about it's law on rape??? It parses the SHIT out of rape just like these fucking republicans...

    City Rape Deuteronomy 22:23-24

    If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;
    Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die;
    the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city. --

    Country Rape Deuteronomy 22:25-27

    But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die.
    For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her. --

    Of an un-betrothed virgin Deuteronomy 22:28-29

    If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
    Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife;
    because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days. --

    My question is this:

    Why the HELL are people so hell bent on living their lives by a book written thousands of years ago by men who threw rocks at their wives if they were raped?
     
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    Apologies, we differ on the deity of Jesus then. And so our differences of opinions makes sense. There definitely are different theological views, particularly about the trinity.
     
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    No that law was written by a man. The book is man made... It also calls tattoos an abomination too...

    If God does exist, HE CREATED GAY PEOPLE...

    Here I thought God doesn't make mistakes...
     
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    Here's the bottom fucking line for Christians trying to insert their belife system whilst simultaneously inventing the BULLSHIT that there's a war on Christianity:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,
    or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press;
    or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    Why do Christians want to FORCE people to live by their laws?

    They don't even know that a Yule Tree is a PAGAN tradition... Jesus wasn't even born in December.
     
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    I am well aware of the laws contained in the Bible. You are referencing Old Testament laws. When Jesus died on the cross and rose again, he fulfilled the law. We have a new covenant with God through Jesus. The Old Testament laws fall under different categories, and we are not subject to all of the OT laws now.
     
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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    Do you feel you are subject to any of the Old Testament laws? If so, which and what separates them from the ones that are no longer valid?

    Relatedly, is a judgment on homosexuality mentioned in the New Testament?
     
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    Exactly.

    So that means it means nothing to be gay. Absolutely nothing.

    Jesus new covenant has 2 commandments

    Love each other and Love God.

    That's it. He never said one thing bad about Homosexuality. NOT one.

    As a matter of fact Jesus said you are more apt to be RAPTURED if you are gay:

    Luke 17:34-35 King James Version (KJV)
    34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

    35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
     
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    See my post above.
     
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    I believe in God. I believe Jesus existed. I also believe in what the commandments ask...of what the stories of Jesus ask us. To be good people. To care. To love one another. Not to do horrible despicable things.

    I also believe that the Bible is a book that was written by men 2000-3000 years ago in order to percipitate fear and instill obediance and therefore control.

    There is sin everywhere. Everyone is a sinner. Human beings can never be perfect. It is a made up word. Yes, we have free will and can ultimately decide to do good, but we are curious and impulsive. God made us in his image not in his abilities.

    So I believe in God. I am spiritual but I am not religious. I don't believe abortion is murder or that bible or God have ever said that is.
     
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    I believe whatever gives you and those around you the greatest joy...practice that..there are wonderful things to apply to one's life from theology...just don't let it control our ability to listen outside that box.
     
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    Before getting too deep in a discussion about the law, let me make this point. It is not about obeying God's law so anyone can win God's approval. We are only saved by God's Grace of His choosing. We can do nothing on our own accord to win favor with God. That being said, obeying/striving to obey God's laws is proof that Christ is in you.

    Ceremonial laws do not apply. Moral laws still apply (ex: the ten commandments).
     
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    Paul mentions homosexuality in the New Testament.
     
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    That's a hard one for serial Killers tho... :smiley-hmm:
     
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    Why is there no tbou shalt not be gay in the 10 commandments if God was so against it? Thou shalt not have abortions?
     
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    I just want to say. I respect everyone in here and your beliefs. I will not and do not hate anyone if we have differing views. I appreciate the conversation. I am not a wordsmith, so hopefully will not stumble in my responses.
     
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