<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (High54Life @ Jun 20 2007, 09:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>2 years from now if we're winning and championship contenders, I am sure Garnett wouldn't want to op opt-out. Also, I'm sure will be getting much better players when Garnett is 36 years old. What if Gerald turns into a real offensive weapon and starts scoring 25/26 a night with Pierce and Garnett averaging 21 and 22 in three years down the road. Plus, Rondo will be pouring in about 16 points/8 assists and 6 rebounds a game along with great defense. Bringing in Garnett would make the Celtics a much more dangerous team.</div> Yeah, that's IF we are winning titles. If not, he'd be more than happy to sign a contract and live in a great/warmer city like LA. And even then, again... who would you rather have in 3 years? A 25 year old Al Jefferson or a 34 year old Kevin Garnett declining and almost done? I'll go with the young star not even in his prime yet. CelticFan, good point about the contract negotiation that would ensure he'd stay... however, you can't negotiate contracts until July 1st, so it would be tough to include this draft pick for him. I also agree that I'd give a lot for KG, not named Al or Rajon (and obviously Paul, which would make no sense for either franchise to begin with).
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (High54Life @ Jun 20 2007, 11:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>CB32, do you think Al Jefferson will become a better player than KG?</div> No, I don't think Al Jefferson will ever be on the same level as Garnett as a player (top 10 PF of all-time). However, this isn't a 25 year old KG we are talking about here, we're talking about a 31 year old that only has 5-6 years left in the league tops (and only 2-3 at this level). Al Jefferson, on the other hand, is just 22 years old and has 13-15 years left in him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (High54Life @ Jun 20 2007, 11:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>CB32, do you think Al Jefferson will become a better player than KG?</div>No. He will never be able to handle triple teams night in and night out like Garnett (a potential hall-of-famer) has to endure night in and night out.But why give up 5-10 years from now to be maybe a eastern conference championship team 2 years from now and never win a title?You wouldn't be a fan with KG not on the team? You wouldn't be a fan with Big Al controlling HIS paint?It doesn't matter what the difference is between what Al and KG do over their careers. The point is KG is 31 years old and Al is 22 years old right now at this very second in 2007.Sure KG will make us relevent again for 2-3 years and get us tons of publicity which is all the sports writers and tv broadcasters care about.But what if we do give up Al, Green and the #5? And we don't win a title? And Al goes to average 25/10 with the Timberwolves?Look at 2012. Sure we made the ECF a few times, maybe we even made the finals. We didn't win a title and we can never ever get Al Jefferson back. Kevin Garnett's career is just about done. Same with Paul Pierce. Who bridges the gap and keeps the team relevent? Or do we rebuild again and dream about the championship once again? Hoping the new-found youth will be able to bring the team back to glory. AGAIN. Once all the players who were on the 2007 Boston Celtics are gone. Then what? 2002 all over again..We've given up on our young talent too many times and I'm sick of it. Just having veterans isn't gonna make you a winner. Having two superstars isn't gonna make you a winner. Look at Phoenix. You need good veteran role players, not just any veteran like Scalabrine. You need youth to compliment these good veteran role players. You need one or two established superstars and a young star. That's what championship teams are built off of.Take the Spurs for example.Established superstar(s) - Tim DuncanYoung star(s) - Tony Parker, Manu GinobiliGood vet role players - Bruce Bowen, Michael Finley, Robert Horry, Francisco Elson etc.It doesn't matter if we win now. This isn't about Ainge's job security. This isn't about Rivers' job security. This isn't about what Paul Pierce wants. This is about the Boston Celtics.We haven't ever had KG and I think we'll be fine without him especially with Jefferson coming up and having the kind of impact a young KG did.I guess my point is, we don't need to trade the pick and we don't need to trade for a superstar neccesarily. There honestly is nothing good enough in the market that would be in our best interest to do.Sign or trade for decent/good vet role players and build around Jefferson and Pierce.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Jun 21 2007, 12:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No. He will never be able to handle triple teams night in and night out like Garnett (a potential hall-of-famer) has to endure night in and night out.But why give up 5-10 years from now to be maybe a eastern conference championship team 2 years from now and never win a title?You wouldn't be a fan with KG not on the team? You wouldn't be a fan with Big Al controlling HIS paint?It doesn't matter what the difference is between what Al and KG do over their careers. The point is KG is 31 years old and Al is 22 years old right now at this very second in 2007.Sure KG will make us relevent again for 2-3 years and get us tons of publicity which is all the sports writers and tv broadcasters care about.But what if we do give up Al, Green and the #5? And we don't win a title? And Al goes to average 25/10 with the Timberwolves?Look at 2012. Sure we made the ECF a few times, maybe we even made the finals. We didn't win a title and we can never ever get Al Jefferson back. Kevin Garnett's career is just about done. Same with Paul Pierce. Who bridges the gap and keeps the team relevent? Or do we rebuild again and dream about the championship once again? Hoping the new-found youth will be able to bring the team back to glory. AGAIN. Once all the players who were on the 2007 Boston Celtics are gone. Then what? 2002 all over again..We've given up on our young talent too many times and I'm sick of it. Just having veterans isn't gonna make you a winner. Having two superstars isn't gonna make you a winner. Look at Phoenix. You need good veteran role players, not just any veteran like Scalabrine. You need youth to compliment these good veteran role players. You need one or two established superstars and a young star. That's what championship teams are built off of.Take the Spurs for example.Established superstar(s) - Tim DuncanYoung star(s) - Tony Parker, Manu GinobiliGood vet role players - Bruce Bowen, Michael Finley, Robert Horry, Francisco Elson etc.It doesn't matter if we win now. This isn't about Ainge's job security. This isn't about Rivers' job security. This isn't about what Paul Pierce wants. This is about the Boston Celtics.We haven't ever had KG and I think we'll be fine without him especially with Jefferson coming up and having the kind of impact a young KG did.I guess my point is, we don't need to trade the pick and we don't need to trade for a superstar neccesarily. There honestly is nothing good enough in the market that would be in our best interest to do.Sign or trade for decent/good vet role players and build around Jefferson and Pierce.</div>So your saying if we get KG and trade GG in a package for him instead of AJ, you would be happy right?
Right. Gerald would probably get more of an oppurtunity to play on another team whereas here he is kind of being held back because of our logjam at the wing positions and the secure spot of an all-star at his position. Plus Al has proven a tad more than Gerald has. Gerald is our best trading chip besides Jefferson. Jefferson has already kind of broken out of his shell where Green is still taking baby steps. I expect Green to be excellent next season though. He's too hard of a worker to continue to not. I think next year could be his breakout year. But like I said he'll never get a chance to show his talents when we have 6 players at the SG/SF spots expecting a good chunk of minutes per game and Green needing 30-35 minutes a game to show his scoring ability.I would basically do the proposed deal but take Jefferson out and include a future pick.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Jun 21 2007, 12:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Right. Gerald would probably get more of an oppurtunity to play on another team whereas here he is kind of being held back because of our logjam at the wing positions and the secure spot of an all-star at his position. Plus Al has proven a tad more than Gerald has. Gerald is our best trading chip besides Jefferson. Jefferson has already kind of broken out of his shell where Green is still taking baby steps. I expect Green to be excellent next season though. He's too hard of a worker to continue to not. I think next year could be his breakout year. But like I said he'll never get a chance to show his talents when we have 6 players at the SG/SF spots expecting a good chunk of minutes per game and Green needing 30-35 minutes a game to show his scoring ability.I would basically do the proposed deal but take Jefferson out and include a future pick.</div>That's exactly what I have been saying since I came to this site. GG needs PT to show his greatness. My wording was completely off. If he does get shipped to Minnesota, playa, you think he'll break out like T-Mac did with the Magic?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (High54Life @ Jun 21 2007, 12:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That's exactly what I have been saying since I came to this site. GG needs PT to show his greatness. My wording was completely off. If he does get shipped to Minnesota, playa, you think he'll break out like T-Mac did with the Magic?</div> I think it's very possible that Gerald Green could absolutely break out given the opportunity, but I think I speak for every Celtic fan (except High54Life ) when I say that I'd much rather trade Green than Jefferson. I would give up Gerald in a deal for Garnett, but not Big Al.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (High54Life @ Jun 21 2007, 12:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That's exactly what I have been saying since I came to this site. GG needs PT to show his greatness. My wording was completely off. If he does get shipped to Minnesota, playa, you think he'll break out like T-Mac did with the Magic?</div>Yes. Because who else on that team can score in outbursts like Green? He would eventually be their go to guy on offense if they don't get Big Al in the deal.I think sometimes you can be a bit outrageous with how much you think he will actually break out though. Because TMac wanted badly to be the man and that's why he left Toronto while Gerald just wants to be part of something just a little bit positive at this point in his career.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Jun 21 2007, 01:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think it's very possible that Gerald Green could absolutely break out given the opportunity, but I think I speak for every Celtic fan (except High54Life ) when I say that I'd much rather trade Green than Jefferson. I would give up Gerald in a deal for Garnett, but not Big Al.</div>I never said that I wouldn't trade Green in package for KG. I just think it's stupid that with a player with this much talent to be sitting on the bench playing 12-15 minutes a game next year. I personally think the Celts should make room for Green and make him the primary 2 on their team. Now, we know how doubtful that will be, so let's look at my trade scenario: <div align="center"></div> <div align="center">PLEASE :worthy:</div> Minnesota Trades: Kevin Garnett, fillers, Ricky Davis, #7 PickBoston Trades:Delonte West, Sebastian Telfair, Gerald Green, Theo's contract, #5 Pick Sacramento Trades: Ron Artest, fillers <u>Boston Gets:</u>Kevin Garnett<u>Minnesota Gets:</u>#5 Pick, Ron Artest, Gerald Green, Sebastian Telfair<u>Sacramento Gets</u>:#7 Pick, Delonte West, Theo Ratliff's contract, Ricky DavisNow keep in mind Kings would have the 7th and 10th picks in the draft. <span style="colorarkGreen">Boston Lineup:</span>PG-Rajon RondoSG-Tony Allen/Wally SzczerbiakSF-Paul PiercePF-Al JeffersonC-Kevin Garnett <span style="color:Navy">Minnesota Lineup:</span>PG-Randy Foye/Sebastian TelfairSG-Gerald Green/Rashard McCantsSF-Ron Artest/Trenton HasselPF-Juwan Howard/Mark BlountC- Al Horford/ Yi<span style="colorarkOrchid">Sacramento Lineup</span>PG-Mike Bibby/Delonte WestSG-Kevin Martin/Delonte WestSF-Ricky Davis/Corey BrewerPF-Al Thornton/Kenny ThomasC-Brad Miller/ Theo RatliffWhat do you guys think? I don't know about the contract status but I'm guess Theo Ratliff would have to be on the Wolves instead of the Kings.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Jun 21 2007, 12:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yes. Because who else on that team can score in outbursts like Green? He would eventually be their go to guy on offense if they don't get Big Al in the deal.I think sometimes you can be a bit outrageous with how much you think he will actually break out though. Because TMac wanted badly to be the man and that's why he left Toronto while Gerald just wants to be part of something just a little bit positive at this point in his career.</div>True, if you watch the Celtic games this year, Gerald is cheering on his teammates and is so enthusiastic about the team. He's always off the bench, standing up and giving high fives. He's strictly a team player.Here's some new news on KG:<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Boston Herald -The Celtics and Wolves moved closer to a deal that would bring Kevin Garnett to Boston, according to a source.?<u>There?s a good chance nothing happens</u>,? the source cautioned, ?but the talks seem to be ongoing. Neither side seems willing to drop this.?It was further indicated that if such a deal goes down, it would indeed involve both Al Jefferson [stats] and the Celtics? No. 5 overall pick in next week?s draft.</div>I just don't see Danny moving Al, just rumor talk.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>League sources have reported that the Boston Celtics are still in talks with the Minnesota Timberwolves to acquire Kevin Garnett, but a new name in the deal is causing a snag.The deal to move Garnett to Boston would include Al Jefferson and the fifth pick, and now the Timberwolves want to ship out Marko Jaric and attain Gerald Green.The Celtics are pushing back on Jaric, who has four years left on his $40 million contract. The big guard from Serbia averaged just over five points last season and has never averaged more than 10 points per game during his five-year career. The 21 year old Green, on the other hand, carries a low price tag and untapped potential.</div>http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_22409.shtmlIs McHale an idiot?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Jun 21 2007, 01:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_22409.shtmlIs McHale an idiot? </div>Why would McHale think Danny will trade Jaric for Green? Is he okay today?
This is probably already posted, but ive heard Boston will give up the 5th pick and Al Jefferson for KG.I dunno about this, yall will most likely suffer from this in 5-7 years when Jefferson is tearing it up, but if you get a KG with only giving up that much, I wouldnt be suprised to see Boston in the Finals next season...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BluffCityBlue @ Jun 21 2007, 01:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This is probably already posted, but ive heard Boston will give up the 5th pick and Al Jefferson for KG.</div> Yeah, that's kind of what this entire thread is about. I'm reading these internet "rumors" of us unloading Al Jefferson, Gerald Green, and #5 in the same deal for KG and a filler... I'd puke.
Haha, I thought this was full of those rumors like you just posted...so I just skipped and posted right away.Seriously though, Boston might have a huge turnround...when your in the East, and you have two superstars with some okay players around them, you can go really far. But like I said, your face will look like this when you see Jefferson tearing it up in a few years(which yet again, the West gets another star-to-be forward)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BluffCityBlue @ Jun 21 2007, 01:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Haha, I thought this was full of those rumors like you just posted...so I just skipped and posted right away. Seriously though, Boston might have a huge turnround...when your in the East, and you have two superstars with some okay players around them, you can go really far. But like I said, your face will look like this when you see Jefferson tearing it up in a few years(which yet again, the West gets another star-to-be forward)</div> If we made that deal, it would be great for the short-term... but we'd lose our TOP THREE young assets and only be a real contender for 2-3 years. Then what? Rebuild again? F*ck that, we've been rebuilding for my whole life. 3 years from now, this trade would look HORRIBLE. 3 years from now, what would you rather have?<ul>[*]25 year old Al Jefferson, 24 year old Gerald Green, and a 23 year old Jeff Green (or Yi, whoever)[*]34 year old Kevin Garnett and a 33 year old Marko Jaric[/list] If we are going to have to throw away our entire future to make Pierce happy for 2-3 years, then he should be the one being shopped.
Gerald Green is supposed to be in the deal? I thought it was KG for 5th, Jefferson and Ratliff....I wouldnt do that, right now, Gerald Green can still become a allstar claliber player, I wouldnt do that. Id suck it up, and trade Paul Pierce for this years 1st rnd pick, Foye, and some future 1st rnd picks...
WEEI in Boston is reporting a new deal. The deal would be Wally, Theo, West, the #5 and Gomes for KG and Hudson. If we get KG without trading Green or Jefferson that would be HUGE.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (High54Life @ Jun 21 2007, 02:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>WEEI in Boston is reporting a new deal. The deal would be Wally, Theo, West, the #5 and Gomes for KG and Hudson. If we get KG without trading Green or Jefferson that would be HUGE.</div> I'm obviously cream myself if that happened, but it's likely not going to. Let's get something straight... all these "reports" are nothing more than fabricated ideas.
