<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Jun 18 2007, 12:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>to protect our freedom</div> Alright Pacersfan, I made a new thread, let's discuss.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Jun 18 2007, 12:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>American soldiers are generally regarded as freedom protectors, you see it everywhere</div> You said the soliders in Iraq (that have died, in the previous thread) are protecting our freedom.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Jun 18 2007, 01:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>They are, they are protecting us from terrorists, Al Queda terrorists to be specifiic</div>Was al-qaeda in Iraq before the U.S. got there?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Jun 18 2007, 12:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>They are, they are protecting us from terrorists, Al Queda terrorists to be specifiic</div> Al-Qaeda couldn't even take over a small country if they wanted to. Your making Al-Qaeda out to be bigger than they are.
I'm not saying they could take over the USA, but what can they do? Well just look at the world trade centers. Imagine if they got the White House.................They have a lot of power. And we origonally went ot Iraq to get Bin Ladin and a few other guys who have enough power to damage a country even as strong and big as ours
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Jun 18 2007, 11:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm not saying they could take over the USA, but what can they do? Well just look at the world trade centers. Imagine if they got the White House.................They have a lot of power. And we origonally went ot Iraq to get Bin Ladin and a few other guys who have enough power to damage a country even as strong and big as ours</div>no, we went to afghanistan to do that, we went to Iraq to fight a proxy revenge war.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Jun 18 2007, 01:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm not saying they could take over the USA, but what can they do? Well just look at the world trade centers. Imagine if they got the White House.................They have a lot of power. And we origonally went ot Iraq to get Bin Ladin and a few other guys who have enough power to damage a country even as strong and big as ours</div> Al-Qaeda does not have the power to take our freedom away. Usama Bin Laden was not in Iraq and we didn't go there because of him....I think it's pathetic that a US citizen is so ignorant of whats going on....yikes.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The`Dream @ Jun 18 2007, 01:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This thread needs more Braveheart.</div> PFF needs a Barry Bonds sized injection of common sense.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tHe_pEsTiLeNcE @ Jun 18 2007, 01:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>no, we went to afghanistan to do that, we went to Iraq to fight a proxy revenge war.</div>Didn't we go into Iraq because we thought they had WMD?? Faulty intelligence, yes, but they had to act to keep these weapons out of the hands of Al Qaeda who said in the past that they would use a nuclear bomb immediately on the U.S. if they obtained one. Yes, you could almost say it was a proxy war, and I don't agree with how things are now, but their initial involvement wasn't as malicious as you make it sound.
We are in Iraq for basically the same reasons we were in Korea and Vietman, which is to turn their government into what we want their government to be so it won't be a threat to us, which is in a way protecting our freedeom. Should we be over there? I don't think so. Will we be successul? I don't think so, just like we weren't in Vietman or Korea. I don't agree with us being over there, and most soldiers don't want to be over there, but they are obligated to be.
Lets do the math PFF 7000 known Al-Qaeda members divide that by 50 = 140 ok so what if they all attack one state lets say indiana then Indiana's population = 6,313,520 al-qaeda = 7000so every al qaeda member would have to kill 901 people.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (noballer07 @ Jun 18 2007, 01:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Didn't we go into Iraq because we thought they had WMD?? Faulty intelligence, yes, but they had to act to keep these weapons out of the hands of Al Qaeda who said in the past that they would use a nuclear bomb immediately on the U.S. if they obtained one.</div> Keep those weapons out of the hands of Al-Qaeda? Thats a stretch, their was no evidence that Saddam was selling those weapons. Not to mention he had little contact with Al-Qaeda...not to mention he had little incentive to sell them. Al-Qaeda obtaining a nuclear bomb and setting it off correctly....almost impossible at this point. Movies and TV shows like 24 make everyone think that it's a bigger possibility than it is.
^that's some of what I'm sayingWe're fighting one war now, right? Why does it matter where exactly I'm speaking of? I'm speaking about terrorists that are located between the two countries, and I'm saying that those terrorists are evil and powerful enought to send our country into a flux
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Jun 18 2007, 01:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>^that's some of what I'm sayingWe're fighting one war now, right? Why does it matter where exactly I'm speaking of? I'm speaking about terrorists that are located between the two countries, and I'm saying that those terrorists are evil and powerful enought to send our country into a flux</div> Located between the two countries, what do you mean by that?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrizzFanTaylor @ Jun 18 2007, 02:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>We are in Iraq for basically the same reasons we were in Korea and Vietman, which is to turn their government into what we want their government to be so it won't be a threat to us, which is in a way protecting our freedeom. Should we be over there? I don't think so. Will we be successul? I don't think so, just like we weren't in Vietman or Korea. I don't agree with us being over there, and most soldiers don't want to be over there, but they are obligated to be.</div>How could Iraq have ever been more a threat than it is right now? National Intelligence Estimates from virtually every available source claims our involvement in Iraq is creating terrorists.U.S. is involved for at least two reasons:-To establish a base that'll get troops out of Saudi Arabia, watch Iran more closely, and blanket U.S. interests (oil).-To enable the military industrial complex to make piles of money beyond imagination. Haliburton won the war in Iraq.
