Yep. Just wait 1 week. The new franchise is born.And staraaaaaarting for you Boston celticsC- Benjamin BenoitPF- Lamar odomSf- Nocionisg-Gordonpg-farmarJoel meyers: Gordon, fade away. Clank. Damn, kobe would've made thatStu: They better get their act together or kobe... oh damnI can definently see the bryant trade being the dagger in the laker franchise. The only reason why the shaq trade wasnt the dagger is because kobe stayed.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Jun 19 2007, 04:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Am I the only one blatantly confused by that entire post, and its meaning?</div> Probably... because I understand what he's trying to say.Trading Kobe will killl the Laker legacy, and the Lakers will become the new Celtics, meaning they will spend years trying to rebuild.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Jun 19 2007, 06:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'> Probably... because I understand what he's trying to say. Trading Kobe will killl the Laker legacy, and the Lakers will become the new Celtics, meaning they will spend years trying to rebuild.</div> Ooooh ok. I still don't know who Benjamin Beniot is.
Why do you guys think Nocioni and Wallace will be involved? I first think Nocioni is a free agent so he would have to sign off on it first, can't do that until after July 1st I believe. And if LA isn't getting Deng and Gordon back in return I don't think they'll do it, they're not going to settle for average players in return. Them getting Wallace in return would be bad also because he's a bad contract and with Bynum and Brown there you don't need him. So if some kind of deal was to go down don't expect Nocioni or Wallace to be involved.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Jun 19 2007, 04:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Am I the only one blatantly confused by that entire post, and its meaning?</div>Nope, I'm with you...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Jun 20 2007, 08:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ooooh ok. I still don't know who Benjamin Beniot is.</div>Andrew bynum.Basically the Boston franchise used to be all about winning and look at them now. The lakers are slowly transforming into the celtics.
Even if kobe stays our situation isn't going to be better. a) Our biggest trading chip is Andrew bynum. Jim buss values him more than kobeb) Ok, let's assume they deal Bynum. They'll still screw something else up, a botched mle signing, another botched trade, another experimental pg. I for one have no hope in kobe winning a championship in La if we don't get new management. Just look at Mitch's and Jim's trackrecord, they've done sh*t for the lakers.Jerry Buss needs to get off the booze and realise his son and mitch are running the lakers down the drain. This is bigger than kobe, Players come and go. But franchises remain and quite frankly the lakers look like they are calling it a day.
This is what Jerry buss needs to do.Fire Mitch and Jim buss. Get a real gm in there and a new president of basketball operations. Call Jerry west and offer him the world, all the power etc. Entice him. Then get kobe in the room and tell him we are building around you, we brought Jerry in, we dumped the losers. Tell him how his fans are turning on him. Then go out and make moves and throw everything on the table to make a contender. If nothing is done then go to kobe and say we did everything possible and keep him informed in all the discussion so he knows it aint lies. Then if he says he wants to be traded then Screw him and get his ass out off the lakers.But for now, kobe is the lesser of the evils. He whines, moans and is essentially being a little bi*ch. But compared to the losers in the management he is an angel. That's where I stand.
That would be great Melo but from what I've seen on ESPN even if that happend I think it's to late because it seems like Kobe's mind is already made up sadly.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061 @ Jun 20 2007, 01:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This is what Jerry buss needs to do.Fire Mitch and Jim buss. Get a real gm in there and a new president of basketball operations. Call Jerry west and offer him the world, all the power etc. Entice him. Then get kobe in the room and tell him we are building around you, we brought Jerry in, we dumped the losers. Tell him how his fans are turning on him. Then go out and make moves and throw everything on the table to make a contender. If nothing is done then go to kobe and say we did everything possible and keep him informed in all the discussion so he knows it aint lies. Then if he says he wants to be traded then Screw him and get his ass out off the lakers.But for now, kobe is the lesser of the evils. He whines, moans and is essentially being a little bi*ch. But compared to the losers in the management he is an angel. That's where I stand.</div>Completely Agree. :dribble:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>ear Dr. Buss and Lakers management,I got the letter you sent out last Friday and needed to send a response. I will try to do so politely and somewhat respectfully.While I am sure you would like to sit back on your laurels and tout your team's past history under your ownership in hopes that some of us season ticket holders would buy into it, your letter rang hollow and insincere. The "All is well" tone in the letter was an insult to our intelligence. I am sure most of us can see through the facade and notice the cracks in the organization as it starts to rapidly crumble into the ruins of it's once grand, former self. The once classy and accomplished Lakers, the preeminent franchise in all of American sports (and perhaps the world) has become a mediocre laughing stock - a crass and melodramatic soap opera instead of the elite of the elite.Evidence of this is abundant. You have an upper management of supposedly mature adults who act like they are still barely teen siblings fighting over the keys to daddy's car while they bicker about how their boyfriend was disrespected on public radio. You have a Vice President of Player Personnel who is in a position he has neither the knowledge, skill nor maturity to handle and who feels it is appropriate to go on the radio to criticize and insult the head coach for berating players in the press while he himself engages in the very type of behavior he critiques that coach for. You have a front office that allows this new leader to alienate the best, and only real, asset the team has by placing his ego-driven desire to prove that his young draft prospect is going to be something ahead of utilizing a real basketball weapon ? one that any team in the league would love to have. The idiocy of neglecting, and ultimately losing, the greatest player that any franchise could ever hope for and who has proven himself tenfold, so that Jim Buss can coddle a guy who hasn't done a darn thing in this league (and may likely never be much more than another in a long string of supposedly promising big men who failed to progress on the elite level) is asinine. To make matters worse, you already have one of the greatest examples of that in Kwame Brown, for whom you traded an All-Star player - one who played very well with the future Greatest Of All Time you are about to piss away as if he were training camp fodder. You have an owner, who while his star player and proven key to success is melting down publicly, is off carousing and getting picked up on a DUI. That owner also just heads off on his summer holiday as if nothing is happening as his franchise turns into a disaster area. You have a management team who, while this is going on over the course of several days, can't even pick up a phone in an attempt to diffuse things.Now I will be the first to say that Kobe has acted like an immature and selfish fool for the last few weeks. However, the man has a valid gripe ? one that has been voiced numerous times by both him and the team?s fans. Your alleged desire to win has not been evidenced by any of the actions taken by the team?s front office in years. The overall pattern has been to be intentionally and overly conservative about upgrading the team for fear that it might adversely affect a period of contention a few years from now that may never come.The Lakers? front office has created a horrible mess by their inattentiveness, ineptness and overly conservative approach to player movement. The mention of past successes is moot when one looks at the present. Dr. Buss, you mention those past successes as if they have some bearing on the future. They don?t. They don?t because the reasons for those past successes no longer exist within the organization. Your past successes came through the savvy and hard work of Jerry West and the skills of the personnel he brought in. It is no coincidence that the only bright spot since his departure was the resigning of Kobe Bryant a few years ago ? and even that came about due to a last minute conversation between West and Bryant.I had to chuckle as you rolled out your list of accomplishments in your 28 years of ownership. Because it is plainly evident to anyone who has observed over the whole course of those 28 years that the successes were not due to your ownership and direction, but from the people you once had leading you. It is painfully evident that Jerry West the main source of your continued success and it is made all the more clear by the quick decline into mediocrity and horrible decision making that have taken place since his departure. As the legacies he left as far as player talent and team direction started to fade in the few years following, the curtain was pulled back and we could all see that the guidance that got you that run of success was gone.Dr. Buss, you are responsible for the sorry state of affairs in the Lakers ranks. So any reference to past successes that came by the hand of others is pointless. The front office and the team has become a train wreck.And in all this, not one word from the man in charge other than brief and dismissive press releases and a vapid letter, of ostrich like mentality, to the fans asking for continued support and loyalty despite the fact that the team - especially of late - has provided no reasonable reason to expect such an accommodation from it's fans.I realize I have been very spoiled in terms of the success I have witnessed in my several years as a Laker season ticket holder. I know that in my 35 years as a Laker fan, there have been great periods of joy and triumph and some extended periods of less than stellar results. But there has always been a pleasure and pride in being a Laker fan ? until now.t is becoming painfully evident that despite the past successes and triumphs you trumpeted to us fans, the present franchise is simply intent on collecting our checks while pissing away opportunities to win now while throwing out excuses and dangling an imaginary carrot of hope for success in the future.As it currently stands, my two young children are too young to understand the needless dramas that are occurring. They just know that their favorite player, the only Laker Superstar they are old enough to really know and remember, is essentially gone (and knowing the horrible deals you and Mitch work out, probably in a joke of a transaction) and they are crushed. They are old enough to know the displeasure that waits if they can no longer go see Kobe Bryant play at Staples. Fortunately they are knowledgeable enough of the team to have other favorites in Luke and Ronnie, and they still eagerly await going back to Staples. So I am hesitant to deny them that pleasure. And since we will have to fork over some of their future college money to renew our tickets before we can really know what will happen this summer and what we may be returning to I may actually go against my better judgment and renew in a few weeks ? but with an extremely watchful eye for what to do net summer. But I will have to convince my wife that giving our hard earned money to an organization that had the crassness to raise ticket prices while churning out a mediocre product and pissing away it?s best player is a worthwhile thing to do given the circumstances.But I can assure you this. If come next summer, there has not been a massive readjustment in how you guys approach winning and how you function as an organization, I cannot in good conscience renew my seats in 2008 and do so this year only because the deadline arrives before I can know how badly you will screw this up ? I feel like I am being extorted to be honesty.So knock off the empty promises. Quit breaking promises to your stars. Clean up your act. Act like the proud, classy, successful and elite franchise you were. Don?t just reference it in cheesy letters to the fans making excuses for the turmoil and dissention you created.Good luck. Don?t blow it.</div>This is from lg. Best letter eber.
