OT Virginia Beach mass shooting

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  1. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    She died shielding her baby.

    Brutal.
     
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    Nonsense. But why bother arguing with you when you think you're right and I know you're wrong?

    Except for half of the mental health comment.

    Pretty much everyone agrees that these mass murderers are mentally ill. Every single one of them.

    If they weren't mentally ill, quite severely so, they would never have murdered anyone.

    So if they had received treatment rather than been left to smolder in fear for decades, a lot of nice people would still be alive.
    Some dickheads too I suppose.

    So why did Kate Brown and her Dem minions steal funds from mental healthcare in Oregon?

    Why did Kate Brown shut down a brand new mental healthcare facility at the coast that cost millions to build, when our city streets are littered with dangerously insane people?

    Why have Dems sat on their hands for nearly 40 years while they had the power to push any mental healthcare bill, any budget through with their supermajority control of Oregon?

    Why is fairly wealthy, progressive Oregon 49th in mental healthcare among all the states?

    Why have Dems created "murder rooms" by prohibiting Second Amendment rights wherever our citizens are gathered in large numbers?

    Because Democrats want mass murders to occur for their political purposes, and they only occur under these artificially created conditions.

    The blood of the victims is on the hands of Democrats, pure and simple.

    http://www.mentalhealthamerica.net/issues/ranking-states
     
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    FBI Violent Crime Stats for those who like stats:

    Most violent crime against blacks is by blacks.

    Most violent crime against whites is by whites.

    Black on white crime is higher than white on black crime.

    Biggest takeaway = Hispanics DO NOT MESS WITH BLACKS! (4.7%)

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    Is that a fact? All CC wants is facts?
     
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    Just the facts, ma'am.

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    That is so fucking offensive. Seriously. What the fuck.
     
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    It was super hard to read that...
     
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    I see nothing offensive. Just plain facts. Seriously. I have friends of all races, and we're all different in enormously noticeable ways.

    Perhaps you could explain what about these true statements offends you.
     
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    1. I'm a white Hispanic.

    2. My father is a white Hispanic.

    3. Hispanic is not a race.

    4. Your statements are not true.
     
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    I don't adhere to the idea of different races of humans, and science backs me up. There's no scientific justification supporting separate races of the human race, and I was raised in a family that discerned people by their actions and their words rather than their pigmentation. We're all human, but due to how man evolved from separate places and bloodlines we use the term race to describe how each group started and ended up evolving quite differently. Not better or worse, but differently. I have Hispanic friends and we are very different in just about every way I can think of, especially our mental outlook, motivations and reaction to things, due mostly to growing up in different cultures. No Hispanic I have ever known identified as a white-Hispanic, and as far as I can discover the term originated early in the Obama administration and is still only used by a few hard-lefty outfits like Wikipedia. The FBI used it for awhile, but ceased using it last year as it was blurring their data on victims of different races. Hard to prove Hispanics are being discriminated against if their crime data is exactly the same as whites.

    Please explain to me what the term White Hispanic means to you, since you consider yourself one, and nobody else I know does. Are you saying it's a race, or a cultural designation, a bi-racial mix, or just lighter skin color, or what?
     
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    Are white Hispanics like Jewish Mexicans? They are the elite ruling class in Mexico
     
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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    Everybody has mental problems to one degree or another. Let's prvent those at the far end of the spectrum from getting their hands on the most deadly of weapons found in Millions of homes.
     
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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    It's a statistic used by the FBI among others.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Hispanic_and_Latino_Americans
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/what-is-a-white-hispanic_b_14086306
    The census bureau has a White Hispanic category.
     
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    I left out bare hands and feet, arson, and hypodermic needles, all major methods of mass murder.

    BTW, healthcare providers have murdered more people than people from all other occupations, without using any firearm at all.

    https://www.ranker.com/list/serial-killer-nurses/april-a-taylor
    https://www.foxnews.com/world/german-serial-killer-nurse-85-patients
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-used/
    https://www.infowars.com/fbi-far-more-murders-committed-with-knives-than-assault-rifles/

    Mass killings account for only a tiny fraction — about 1% — of all the Americans who are murdered.


    Are Mass Murders Unique To The United States?
    Posted at 12:00 pm on December 1, 2017 by Tom Knighton

    Every time there’s a mass shooting, someone on the left goes on about how these are uniquely American. They say that other countries don’t have these problems, and since the statistics aren’t exactly easy to find with a quick Google search. What you do find, depending on what you actually type as your search string, are usually articles claiming it’s as All-American as baseball and apple pie.

    But is it? Well, it doesn’t look like it is.

    Former President Barack Obama, for example, declared after the 2015 shooting at a historic black church in Charleston, S.C., that left nine people dead and three injured “this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries.”

    He went on to say, “It does not happen with this kind of frequency.”

    The implication was that the U.S.’s relatively laissez faire approach to gun control is at fault.

    According to Politifact, the first sentence was incorrect, noting that between 2000 and 2014 there were 23 incidents of mass shootings in ten other countries besides the United States; though, it added, the second sentence was “not quite as wrong as the first claim.”

    The more commonly accepted measure of crime is events per 100,000 population or dead per 100,000. Even then, the U.S. is only fourth on the list of mass-murder deaths per 100,000 people (0.15) compared to #3, Finland (0.34), #2, Norway (1.3), and #1, Switzerland (1.7).

    Mass murders (as well as the far common ordinary murders) are disproportionately committed by persons with severe mental illness problems, whose actions are clearly a consequence of those problems—and the U.S. is not alone in suffering from the consequences of their actions, whether they involve firearms or not.

    For many people, it is a surprise to find out that there are many mass murders committed with weapons other than firearms.

    “A third of mass murders didn’t involve guns at all. In 15 incidents, the victims died in a fire. In 20 others, the killer used a knife or a blunt object,” the newspaper reported.

    And let’s be clear here, if a third of all mass murders involve weapons other than guns, there’s no reason to assume a total ban on any type of gun–or even guns in general–would stop the murder.

    Currently, anti-gun zealots are calling for bans of so-called “assault weapons” and want them off the streets, but they forget that the Virginia Tech killer murdered 32 people with a Glock 19 and a Walther P22. Those are handguns that would be minimally impacted by any assault weapon ban. The Killer at Luby’s Cafeteria killer also used handguns to slay 23 other people, in this case, a Glock 17 and a Ruger P89. Even Charles Witman, known for gunning down 17 people at the University of Texas only had one semi-automatic rifle, an M1 Carbine which would likely have survived any assault weapon ban in place in 1966.

    These incidents aren’t isolated. In fact, the trend of using modern sporting rifles for these heinous crimes is fairly new. That means there’s absolutely no reason to assume an assault weapon ban or a ban on bump stocks would actually have much of an impact on these horrific events.

    As noted, mental health is a much bigger issue than firearms. In almost every one of these cases, the killer has some kind of mental disorder. This includes cases where they are barred from access to firearms for whatever reason, but still managed to shoot people. It also includes those who didn’t use a gun to commit mass murder.

    When anti-gun crusaders use mass murders to justify anti-gun legislation, all they’re doing is using the smoke and mirrors of the mass killing to trick the American public into siding with them. They’re using the horrors of the event to manipulate the public, all while lashing out at any pro-gun activist or politician who dares to “politicize” the event.

    Remember, they can use the bodies of the dead as a soapbox. We can’t.

    But the deeper point is that all of these killers are mentally unhealthy. They’re sick people who often aren’t getting treated. Part of that is mental health treatment is tricky. It’s not like you can take a little blood, stick someone in an MRI machine, then look at the information and say, “You suffer from clinical depression.”

    Nope. That’s not how it works. At all.

    Instead, clinicians have to ask questions, take the answers, and try and tease out the diagnosis. If they get it wrong, well…well, most of the time, not much happens. However, all it takes is one person to change everything.

    While it’s easy for people to want to claim this is a uniquely American event, it’s not. Every country has mentally unbalanced people and those people may decide to kill a whole lot of people for whatever insane reason.

    Let’s stop pretending it’s about the guns, for crying out loud and actually deal with it by addressing the causes of these crimes.
     
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    I'm going to presume that you mean health care errors rather than health care provider murders.
    The BBC has listed the percentage of gun homicides in the United States at 64% of all homicides in 2016.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081
    There are no more than a handful of illegal voters in a general election that Republicans are up in arms about and yet they have no desire to save the lives of 100 or so people killed in mass shootings every year. Which one do you think is the more important one to concentrate on? Yeah, that's right, the tiny number of illegal voters that don't even affect an election.
     
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    LOL @ BBC.

    Start another thread if you want to talk about suicides.

    Voter fraud is in the millions, and gun confiscation would mean the eventual cessation of the right to vote along with all other rights.
     
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    Also, Cheez Whiz is actually alien beings which are in suspended animation until you spray them from the can and eat them, at which time they reproduce.

    Everyone knows this, but is afraid to say so.

    barfo
     
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    1. Voter fraud is in the Millions. LOL;
    2. I've reviewed my post many times and I can't find a single instance of suicide being mentioned nor even being hinted at. Your remark about this is as confusing as you insistence that there are 'Millions' (LOL) of instances of voter fraud.
     

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