First off, you misquoted me. The Bulls as a team won because of defense. Not because of Gordon's and Deng's defense.Gordon and Deng are good young players, but they are no gamebreakers. All of the Bulls fed off of each other and forced defenses to play honest. Their players would always have good looks at the basket because of that. Gordon and Deng filled their roles great, as can be seen by their numbers. Ben Gordon is an outside shooter and nothing more. Loul Deng cannot score consistenly from everywhere on the court. As much as you want to make yourself believe it, neither one of them are "superstars", atleast not yet.
alot of you guys dont get it ... Bulls arent gonna gut there team to get kobe and not even get better....Traden gordon deng tyurs and wallace is not a good move at all. this doesn't make us good at all if anything the team will become wrose.Kirk/duhonKobe/thaboNoc/old man griff#9/??????sweetney????/?????and deng just turned 22 and look how good he is.. you just dont trade a player away that does sooo much better every year....that team wont get pass the pistson... wont even get pass the heat..
If there is a trade it will be Kobe for Gordon, Nocioni, and the #9 pick. If you call that 'gutting your team' you dont know basketball.Ben WallaceThomasDengKobeHinrichBetter then anything in the East
Geez some people are so stupid..Gordon noc and #9 doesn't even get close to matching what kobe makes...looks like you dont know basketball
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mobruler @ Jun 21 2007, 03:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>First off, you misquoted me. The Bulls as a team won because of defense. Not because of Gordon's and Deng's defense.Gordon and Deng are good young players, but they are no gamebreakers. All of the Bulls fed off of each other and forced defenses to play honest. Their players would always have good looks at the basket because of that. Gordon and Deng filled their roles great, as can be seen by their numbers. Ben Gordon is an outside shooter and nothing more. Loul Deng cannot score consistenly from everywhere on the court. As much as you want to make yourself believe it, neither one of them are "superstars", atleast not yet.</div>Well Deng and Gordon were part of that great defensive team, so they must be doing something right.Nobody believes that Gordon and Deng are superstars. I don't think they ever will be. But there are only a handful of those in the league: Kobe, Lebron, Duncan, Wade, Dirk and Nash.Both Deng and Gordon play to their strengths, they execute the offensive game plan and as a result they get good looks. Unless you think that our awesome frontcourt of PJ Brown and Ben Wallace keeps the opposing defense honest and prevents teams from doubling somebody like Gordon.And yeah Gordon is primarily a jump shooter; a very good one at that. But so are guys like Allen, Redd, and Hamilton.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (junit @ Jun 21 2007, 12:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If there is a trade it will be Kobe for Gordon, Nocioni, and the #9 pick. If you call that 'gutting your team' you dont know basketball.Ben WallaceThomasDengKobeHinrichBetter then anything in the East</div>Everybody and their mom would do that deal if it was possible.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BuLLzDoMaIn @ Jun 21 2007, 01:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Geez some people are so stupid..Gordon noc and #9 doesn't even get close to matching what kobe makes...looks like you dont know basketball</div> Gordon, Nocioni, Duhon, and #9. The Bulls aren't going to trade Deng and Gordon.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (junit @ Jun 21 2007, 01:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Gordon, Nocioni, Duhon, and #9. The Bulls aren't going to trade Deng and Gordon.</div>That deal is not possible. For one, salaries don't even come close to matching. And two, Nocioni is a free agent, meaning that he would have to be signed and traded. That can't happen until July 15th, the draft is June 28th. So in no circumstance can Nocioni be packaged with the 9th pick. Unless the Lakers like whoever we draft at 9.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (junit @ Jun 21 2007, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Gordon, Nocioni, Duhon, and #9. The Bulls aren't going to trade Deng and Gordon.</div>Even if the salaries matched...I don't like that trade. :thumbdn1: I still want either Deng or Tyrus somehow in the deal if there is one.
It looks like if we were to go after Kobe, we would have to trade wallace. theres no other way. How about Ben Wallace+Gordon+Duhon for Kobe Bryant+Andrew Bynum?Bullspg-Hinrichsg-bryantsf-dengpf-tyrus thomasc-andrew bynum+ we still have the #9 pick to get a post scorer and if bynum pans out we get a great big man and the best player in the nba. not a bad deal at all for either team. The Lakers get the PG they've been searching for plus a guy who can score and a big name defensive player. I could see the Bulls and Lakers making the playoffs next year in that deal.Lakerspg-duhonsg-gordonsf-odompf-vladimirc-wallace
Man if we trade wallace that really messes us up down low. Whos gonna get the rebounds whos gonna get the blocks.bynum just aint ready
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BuLLzDoMaIn @ Jun 21 2007, 06:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Man if we trade wallace that really messes us up down low. Whos gonna get the rebounds whos gonna get the blocks.bynum just aint ready</div>Thats why we have the #9 pick and a bunch of free agents coming out not long after the draft.Bynum by next season might be ready to see significant minutes. This year he averaged 6 boards in 20 minutes. He will be much better with another offseason to workout and he is already showing alot of improvement. I think he is going to be an allstar within the next 3 years and a great player by midway through next season given minutes.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jun 21 2007, 06:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think he is going to be an allstar within the next 3 years</div>Yowzers.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jun 21 2007, 09:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yowzers.</div>Andrew Bynum is still barely old enough to be a sophomore in college and hes made significant strides toward being a better player. Hes even put up decent numbers in the few minutes hes played. so what do you have to support that Bynum cannot make an allstar game within the next 3 seasons?
WTF, the Lakers are not going to trade away Bynum with Kobe. They didn't want to trade this guy for Jason Kidd, and now they don't want to give him up for O'Neal. That's basically why Kobe wants to leave LA. And if LA is trading Kobe that means that they are going into rebuild mode; which means keeping Bynum and not taking on Wallace's huge contract.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Thabo @ Jun 21 2007, 09:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>WTF, the Lakers are not going to trade away Bynum with Kobe. They didn't want to trade this guy for Jason Kidd, and now they don't want to give him up for O'Neal. That's basically why Kobe wants to leave LA. And if LA is trading Kobe that means that they are going into rebuild mode; which means keeping Bynum and not taking on Wallace's huge contract.</div>In that deal I mentioned I dont think the Lakers would mind trading Bynum. They add alot of young pieces who are already more proven then Bynum is already and with a Kwame-Ben Wallace frontcourt they would improve their team significantly. Compared to the shaq trade, that would be a great deal for the Lakers seeing as they would improve from where they are right now and still compete for several years. I dont think defensively Ben Wallace is going anywhere anytime soon anyway.pg-chris duhonsg-ben gordonsf-lamar odompf-kwame brownc-ben wallaceI think that team would work exceptionally well together. It would even allow Odom to be further utilized with a guy like Ben Wallace to be an oakley/rodman-like bodyguard presence on the team. I could see that team getting 50 wins possibly.
That team would not win anywhere near 50 games in the West. They've only got two players in the starting lineup who can do anything offensively. Wallace is crap on that end. Kwame is inconsistent and not somebody who you could count on. And Duhon is garbage.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Thabo @ Jun 21 2007, 10:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That team would not win anywhere near 50 games in the West. They've only got two players in the starting lineup who can do anything offensively. Wallace is crap on that end. Kwame is inconsistent and not somebody who you could count on. And Duhon is garbage.</div>Are you serious? Kwame and Wallace would probably be the best defensive frontcourt in the NBA while Mihm and Radmonivic could get you your frontcourt points. Most of this season PJ brown played with Ben Wallace and he was no weaker offensively then mihm or vladimir and we won 50 games. You also have Odom who can score in the post, score from a jumper, and shoot a decent 3 and will open up Gordons offense and with Ben Wallace in the middle the whole team will have an easier time penetrating. Duhon is also not garbage. Given starting minutes(and the fact that smush started last year, he is a huge upgrade) Duhon could easily average 12/7 while playing decent defense. Yes the Lakers could win 50 wins with that team EVEN in the west. And you have Phil Jackson who utilized Dennis Rodman to his fullest so he would get everything out of big ben to the point where I wouldnt be surprised if Ben Wallace had his best season of his career in LA.Both teams would excel from that deal.
The Bulls had the best defensive team in the league last year, and they fell short of winning 50 games, while being in the Eastern Conference. PJ Brown is a very good defender in the post, and Tyrus Thomas had the best defensive rating in the LEAGUE last year; granted his minutes were limited. So there is no way that that frontcourt would one of the best defensively, especially when it consists of guys like Radmanovic.I don't know why you think Ben Wallace in the middle will result in the whole team having an easier time penetrating. Most teams don't even pay attention to Ben Wallace down in the post.And Duhon is garbage. He would be nearly useless in the triangle. That offense requires a point guard who can shoot (see Paxson, John; Kerr, Steve; Hodges, Craig; Armstrong, BJ; Fisher, Derek; and so on). Duhon can't shoot. All of this guys shots are WIDE open because nobody even guards him. And he'll even pass up half of those open shots because he knows he can't make them. The guy kills our offense. I, for one, am glad that he will most likely not play another game in a Bulls uniform.
^^ kwame brown isnt nothing special.. he is one lazy player. and im sure the lakers wouldnt trade bynum 4 any one on this team... thats how high they are on him
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mobruler @ Jun 21 2007, 02:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Trading 0 stars for the best player in the league is the best trade any team could ever make.</div><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Thabo @ Jun 21 2007, 02:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So Luol Deng and Ben Gordon aren't stars?</div><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Thabo @ Jun 21 2007, 02:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Nobody believes that Gordon and Deng are superstars. I don't think they ever will be.</div>
