Conley to the Jazz

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  1. Pinwheel1

    Pinwheel1 Well-Known Member

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    Rubio said a few days ago that the Jazz told him he wasn't a priority. He Always seems to play good against the Blazers. I wonder where he will go as well.
     
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    They owe their 1st to Boston next year if it's not in the top-6 and then it becomes unprotected in 2021.
     
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    I think this is underrating Dame by a bunch. One could argue that Mitchell's ceiling trumps CJ's "now" production delta (CJ's a better shooter, DM's a better defender and a "lead" guard at 23 and should get some credit for that) but Gobert is not > Nurk by anything close to Dame > Conley. And I'm a Conley fan.
     
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    Nurk went down towards the end of March?
    It will be interesting, but most experts picked Utah to be contending last year and they fell far short from that.
     
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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    Blazers were 7-2 without Nurk because they played an easy schedule at the end. Rubio also missed significant time. It is a valid question. Conley also fixes Memphis's biggest issue, which was generating offense.

    On paper I like this Utah team better than ours, but our hands are kind of tied with regards to avenues for improvement...
     
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    It would hurt me to get rid of Crowder but it had to be done I guess.
    What will portland do?? I don't think much to be honest. My feeling is that fans will have to suck it up for one more year to get rid of those bad contracts before cash can be freed up.
     
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    I would rather have Crowder than AFA or Harmless.
    He's a warrior on the court and has some good years in the reserve tank.
     
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    I found these two comments interesting from their forum. (and True)

    "I was honestly about to try to be positive until I saw the details of the picks and realized Conley can ET 20-21 if he wants thus making him possibly a one year rental along with taking much of the cap space for this off-season."

    "We also lost out spacing PF in Crowder. We’re all disappointed he didn’t play better. But the Jazz have great numbers when he is on the floor.
    If we don’t get a better replacement for Jae were screwed. We HAVE to get a player who can space the floor."

    To add to this I think Mitchell plays best when the ball is in his hands.....running their offense. Conley is not used to that.
     
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    BTW, if you look at the contracts, the Korver + Crowder deals approximately equal ET's deal. (I know one of you nitpickers will call me out on the Korver non-guarantee portion, but for all intents and purposes, it's the same).

    So ET + Simons + 25 + future first should get us a borderline All Star at a position of need who has another two years or so left on a somewhat bloated contract.

    Lamarcus Aldridge anyone? How about Derozan?
     
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    Ι don't see how Gobert is not > Nurk and not even considering broken leg Nurk. Gobert is two times All-Nba
     
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    Conley always kills us so I don't like this.
     
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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    You can't really look at any move in a vacuum. I didn't realize Conley had an ETO. That actually hurts his value IMO. If he has a good year he's definitely opting out to get more guaranteed dollars through his declining years.

    But I don't get the hate on this deal. Utah's biggest problem in the playoffs is they had no offensive creators besides Mitchell, who isn't that great anyways. Utah basically pounded sand against the Rockets because they were just so easy to defend. Give the ball to Mitchell and hope for something good. This move directly addresses that, and if you believe in Quin Snyder, you can believe he'll find ways to integrate both players.

    Crowder was a "spacing" PF only because the Jazz had literally no one else to fill out that position. He shots 33% from 3.....for reference Aminu shot 34%....

    They have Favors's 16 million contract to dangle for a spacing PF. If no takers, they can waive him and find one on the market. There will be spacing forwards available, and probably for cheap once the dust settles.

    I like that the Jazz are taking the proactive approach in reshaping their team to address the weaknesses they came across last year, as opposed to standing pat and hoping internal development takes over...
     
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    I didn't say he wasn't better than Nurk. I said he's not better than Nurk by anything close to Dame > Conley.
     
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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    It's really not after they waive Korver though. Will be around 11M vs 18M (ET). And Crowder is a useful player, especially at that contract. He can easily be moved at the deadline for future draft assets.
     
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    Not sure why they would waive Korver. If Crowder can be flipped at the deadline, perhaps ET can as well?
     
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    They need to guarantee Korver to use his full salary in the deal.
     
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    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    This is the point that is key I think.
     
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