Sen.Dennis Linthicum, Yes we have Climate Change that no tax will change. I would venture to say that if all men dropped dead today, climate change would continue until it reaches the end of the current cycle. To see climate change you must look to the sea. Two places on the planet provide the clues one needs to understand some of the cycle that men are not likely to alter. The Straits of Malacca and the Bering Strait. The first, nearly on the equator, covered by the sea about 13,ooo, years ago. Today, a depth of about 100 feet. The second, at about latitude 65N, covered by the sea some 8,000 years ago. Currently at a depth of about 155'. Remember the native population came to North America across land at the Bering strait in between the time the Strait of Malacca covered and before the covering of the Bering Strait. It really amazes me that men would think they can change this progression of the sea and our climate by taxing citizens in Oregon in order to stop a process that began the current cycle before any men were even present on this continent. However, some are trying to do this very deed... I have seen no science other than the facts that I use, that come to the same conclusions I do. Very curious and I think this should be sorted out before we decide to stop something where we perhaps do not know what is next. My observations and conclusion; First look at Malacca, where the sea is 100 feet deep, covered a few thousand years before the Bering Strait which is now covered to a deeper depth. How could that happen? Sea level is sea level! No Sea level is an ancient term, and where that level is, and why is the critical question. The shape of Earth. Not a sphere but a spheroid. Our planet is an iron core covered with a sea of molting magma, on which the crust, mountains and valleys and all, floating on the sea of magma. It also spins which is some what of and exaggeration as it is really rather slow turning. One revolution a day, but it does produce centrifugal force on the molting sea magma, thus the shape. This centrifugal force is in varying opposition to the force of gravity on a high viscosity sea of magma . Where as the Centrifugal force is greatest at the equator and zero at the poles, thus it takes the spheroidal shape of the force. varying with cosine of the latitude on Earth. Now let's fill in the valleys with sea water up to maybe the level of the Sea some 18,000 years ago, prior to the covering of Malacca. The level the Sea takes will also be effected by the varying forces of gravity and centrifugal force. Where the force of gravity will vary with the sine of the latitude on Earth and the cosine of the Latitude on Earth with the centrifugal force on a variable density fluid, sea water. The centrifugal forces will move the maximum circumference of the sea water earth out to the point of equilibrium with the force of gravity associated with the latitude. But only up to the point there is enough water in the basin to complete a sinusoidal sea level covering over the underlying spheroid. The sinusoidal covering will be incomplete at the poles and outward if there is insufficient water. I think that maximum level being reach at the Strait of Malacca, the sea is has risen to the point that the centrifugal force on the sea water is in equilibrium with the force of gravity at the equator. But perhaps not at the Arctic ocean. And I think that the sea level rose relatively higher at the Bering Strait than it could at Malacca. This observation is also supported by the tidal currents at the Bering sea, always flowing into the Chukchi Sea to the North. It seems it slows to near nothing at low tide but not really a reverse. This is one hell of a heat transfer from the Pacific Ocean to Arctic, really a heat transfer from the tropics to the northern latitudes. We might not be able to live much north of the Columbia River without this heat transfer. The last major glacier covering should be good clue to this probability. Man! What happens when sea level rises enough to fill the Arctic and this flow diminishes? We have already lost most of the Glaciers on all the continents. Not much water locked up on land to keep that Pacific current heat pump transfer running. At some point there is trigger point for a toggle. I am thinking glaciers all over again. And we are taxing fuel? Suppressing fuel supplies? Wrong plan! We need to know when it will happen! Perhaps a task for the folks at the Hatfield Marine Science lab in Newport. Sorry, but I doubt the legislature is up to the task. But you guys are the right body to seek the right research be done. There are various grants to study CO2 this and that. Maybe none to find the answer to what causes or triggers the end of the cycle.
Here’s my thought on climate change. I leave it to the experts as to why it’s happening and how to fix it. But what I will not do is agree that we throw our hands in the air and say fuck it. Experts have told us what we CAN do to HELP. If you lived in a two story home and there was water leaking down to the lower level would you stand around and argue about why it’s leaking? or think, ‘this sucks, it’s not my fault but experts are saying to stop the leak we need to do X”? I’d stop the leak. Or slow it the fuck down. Maybe this is a combination of man made pollution and perhaps the natural course of things, who knows, but if we DO know that we can help matters, why would we not do that? Just to argue and “win”? It seems to me winning would be to slow/curb the decline of our environment? Or is winning to sit back and just let nature run it’s course?
nobody lives long enough to find out if they were right or wrong anyway...I think it's a good thing to keep a minimal carbon footprint whenever people can...
Well I did hope some bright person would shoot a hole or two in it. Updated Doc sent to; Senator Dennis Linthicum Oregon Senate.
what about people who just forgot to renew their subscription or those religious folks saying...Jesus Christ it's hot outside!
MarAzul not denying that he is the Zodiac Killer is pretty much the same as him admitting that he is.
He's copping a plea on the Zodiac Killer in hopes you are satisfied with that and don't investigate his other, worse, crimes. barfo
I traded my Zodiac for a West Marine. And updated the text to the Senator. The Democrats may have given up for now, but I think it is time to shoot this shit down. These guys are counting Co2 bubbles on grants and they don't even understand the physics and Oceanography.
I did not get much comment here on S2 about the math, physics or Oceanography involved with the issue. However, I did get some feedback from a lady that does research for scientists at Noaa and the EPA. She passed on the same thing I gave you guys. The salient comment was, I never heard of this view. Ha! I expect that is true. I also have not heard back from the Republican Senator I addressed. I have no idea if he has the stomach for correcting this bullshit. Here is an interesting article, about the earth slowing in rotation, we correct the clock to conform to this physical fact. But what about the centrifugal force on the sea. The Planet? The rotation is slow now! The effect is not linear? Wise men do not follow the sound of the pipe, without checking the path. https://www.nasa.gov/topics/solarsystem/features/extra-second.html This is another great article to help get a mind set for the issue at hand. https://www-spof.gsfc.nasa.gov/stargaze/Srotfram1.htm
@Lanny You expound much, claim to be a super Engineer. What say you? Or will you just follow the piper?
