Just For Fun...Olshey and the "Whiffed" Lottery Picks

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  1. Rastapopoulos

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    He only did that because I made such a fuss about Barton. CHECK THE ARCHIVES.
     
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    exactly as every teams GM has tons of info available on any draft prospect regardless of the team they are working for at the time. These same people saying he doesn't deserve credit for the pick would have been blasting him if Lillard was just ok.
     
    CupWizier, Jun 25, 2019
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    so you are taking credit for Olshey selecting Barton? That's an interesting assumption.
     
    CupWizier, Jun 25, 2019
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    If it wasn't for DVP no, I don't think Dame's a Top-10 player two years in a row. I don't think CJ's a borderline all-star and I don't think Allen Crabbe gets paid. Moreover, I don't think Nurk is nearly the defensive force he became and the Blazers don't sniff HCA the last two years.

    That said, one can attempt to trash Leonard without bringing DVP up.
     
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    He has hogged the spotlight TOO LONG
     
    Rastapopoulos, Jun 25, 2019
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    I find this convincing. It was his job to make the selection, whether or not Paul or anyone else was super enthusiastic.

    If you say this wasn't his pick, then maybe Meyers and CJ weren't his picks either - maybe Paul made those too. Maybe Little is Olshey's very first draft pick?

    barfo
     
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    Here you go

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    I dont think Little will count either since we did not have Little in for a workout.
     
    ripcity67, Jun 25, 2019
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    I can find a lot of things to complain about with Olshey, but drafting is one of the last things I can find to gripe about.

    When you rank the players in each draft after the fact, Olshey's picks consistently outperform than their draft position. That's a win for his drafting ability in my opinion. Even in situations when you say he didn't pick the best player on the board, okay, but if you hold every GM to that type of standard you're basically asking for perfection... In general, I think he's done a consistently good job with the draft.
     
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    So Neil has nothing to do with the Lillard pick but is responsible for the Meyers pick made 20 minutes after it ? I don't get the logic

    Which is why it's completely unrealistic to say that we should have drafted one of them with the 11th pick.

    So every time you don't get the very best player available the draft is a failure ? A lot of GMs must suck at their job then.
     
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    2012 #6 Damian Lillard
    Should've taken: Damian Lillard! Good job Olshey (or WAS it?)
    2012 #10 Meyers Leonard
    Should've taken: Draymond Green (oops - but then, a lot of people screwed that one up)
    2012 #40 Will Barton
    Should've taken: Will Barton. But actually should've traded 40 and 41 (Tyshawn Taylor - we traded him) to move up for Khris Middleton.
    2013 #10 CJ McCollum
    Should've taken: Giannis MVP Antetokounmpo
    Yes, sure, a lot of people passed, but the Bucks didn't, and you can always trade down in those circumstances, like the Mavs did when they got Nowitzki
    2013 #31 Allen Crabbe
    Should've taken: NOBODY. There's nobody good after Crabbe, but we actually had to buy that pick and it wasn't worth it in the end.
    2015 #23 Rondae Hollis-Jefferson
    I was happy when we drafted him but sad again when we traded him for Plumlee. But as Plumlee got us THE MIGHTY NURK I'm not gonna complain. However:
    Should've taken: Josh Richardson (40), Montrezl Harrel (32), Kevon Looney (30)
    2015 #41 Pat Connaughton
    Should've taken: Norman Powell, or bought a pick a bit higher and taken Richardson.
    2015 #54 Dani Diez
    Should've taken: NOBODY. Why buy a pick for this schmo? He has stumpy arms and doesn't even look good in Spain. Or, if you like take Quinn Cook or TJ McConnell (both undrafted)
    2016 #47 Jake Layman
    Should've taken: Georges Niang (50) or FRED VANVLEET (undrafted)
    2017 #10 Zach Collins (boy, we're the #10 team, aren't we?)
    Should've taken: Donovan Mitchell, Jarrett Allen
    2017 #26 Caleb Swanigan
    Should've taken: Kuzma, Josh Hart (hey, we could've traded for Anthony Davis!)
    Not gonna grade Simons and Trent onward yet.

    Overall: not terrible - mostly useful, surprisingly so for second rounders, but could have Giannis, Draymond, Donovan Mitchell, Josh Richardson and Fred VanVleet
     
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    I don't think calling Olshey a Poor GM is fair.
     
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    Hey kids, look: a classic example of the false dilemma fallacy! Mixed in with a straw man, too.
     
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    I agree. "A little above average" is better.
     
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    I am close friends with someone involved with the pick. He was my source for years
     
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    This post is asinine. You can do that for every team in the league and end up with a championship caliber team
     
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    In general, that's fair. But he has stubbornly stuck with Meyers, including giving him a contract he didn't deserve, when he might even have bounced out of the league otherwise.
    Plus: Olshey has done a lot of low-risk drafting with all those second-rounders, where we count people like Pat Connaughton and Jake Layman as "comparative successes". Yes but you could acquire better than them from the undrafted ranks after the draft. What matters is the higher picks and with his 3 #10s he basically just got an inside-the-park homer with CJ when there was Giannis right there.
     
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    So you're saying it's a crap shoot? So maybe we shouldn't credit Olshey when his picks pan out, because he was just lucky.
     
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    Yes. NO was responsible for the Leonard pick
     
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    So according to your source, what was the situation with Lillard? Did Paul give him the job only on the condition that he must pick Lillard?
    Or is it that on draft day Olshey argued for someone else but was overruled? Or?

    barfo
     
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