Ford Rumor: Likely keeping the pick/Pierce to be shopped?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Jun 22 2007, 11:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Bobcats are going into their 4th year of existence, that is so entirely different. That's obviously what you want to do when you are starting a new franchise, build young so you can have long-term success.Answer this. What would you rather have happen:<ul>[*]Danny Ainge makes a "panic move" and throws away our future for 2-3 years of a playoff team that won't win the title, just to make Pierce happy.[*]Deal Pierce and build long-term success, rather than just a couple years.[/list]</div>It's been 21 years, I've had enough!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (High54Life @ Jun 23 2007, 12:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's been 21 years, I've had enough!</div>
You could look at it that way, but also consider this... we don't win anything, and in 3 years or so (when Pierce is a few years into his 30's and declining), we have to go out and get young pieces again anyway. I'd rather totally avoid the possibility of having to rebuild a few years down the road, just for a quick-fix panic move that never really gets us anywhere anyway.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Jun 22 2007, 08:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>a quick-fix panic move that never really gets us anywhere anyway.</div>I'm having Kenny Anderson/Tony Delk/Rodney Rogers flashbacks....no!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DRob-50-Forever @ Jun 23 2007, 12:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm having Kenny Anderson/Tony Delk/Rodney Rogers flashbacks....no!</div>But we still almost got to the Finals in 02'. Even if we would of lost to the Lakers we would of gotten better that off-season.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Jun 22 2007, 11:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Bobcats are going into their 4th year of existence, that is so entirely different. That's obviously what you want to do when you are starting a new franchise, build young so you can have long-term success.Answer this. What would you rather have happen:<ul>[*]Danny Ainge makes a "panic move" and throws away our future for 2-3 years of a playoff team that won't win the title, just to make Pierce happy.[*]Deal Pierce and build long-term success, rather than just a couple years.[/list]</div>here's the 2 potential drawback's to building for the future with loads of young talent.1. most or all of the talent doesn't pan out beyond being mediocre or role player (not in this case,we know Al is a playa and Rondo MAY become the PG this team needs) OR2. 2-3 of the players reach all-star level of play, their rookie contracts are up and they want to test the FA market. Now you know some team is always willing to overpay for a young player with potential by 15 to 20% at the least. If that happens for all 3 players on your roster, you cannot afford to keep them unless you're the Mavs or NYKnick's. So you end up developing the talent and then watch it walk away for gr$$ner pastures.If you have the opportunity to take large strides forward you have to explore it.now if you have to give up the best young player you have for an 30+ player then no of course you don't do it.If you have to give up 1-2 prospects to get Joe Johnson, then yeah you do that and not assume all of your prospects are going to be great.If Ainge give ups the #5 and a few young guys to gain an established player and improve now, it's not a bad move IMO. If he makes a stupid trade like the original KG to Boston proposal, then yeah it's dumb.It's not like you can build dynasty's so easily anymore. The only 2 have been the Lakers with Shaq and Kobe and Tim Duncan and the Spurs. Both had sure-fire no doubt #1 picks on their team.The Celtics don't have that. Best this team could do is be like the Pistons and be contenders and maybe push through for a Title.be that over the next 2-3 years of wait 2-3 years to start performing in the playoffs.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Living_Legend33 @ Jun 22 2007, 01:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You could easily say the same about Gasol.</div>Thing about Gasol is, the Grizzlies had made the playoffs 3 straight seasons before 06, so it's not like we had been wasting Gasol for as long as the Celtics have been wasting Pierce. One of the reasons the Grizzlies did so poorly was because Gasol was hurt. Some things just didn't fall the Grizzlies' way last season, and we're starting to change things now. I feel like the Grizzlies will either sign a good FA to make Gasol happy, or will deal Gasol this summer. One or two good moves, and the Grizzlies are possibly back in playoff contention. We still have the main core that made the playoffs a season ago.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrizzFanTaylor @ Jun 23 2007, 02:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>One or two good moves, and the Grizzlies are possibly back in playoff contention.</div>Just like every other team in the league that didn't make the playoffs.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Jun 23 2007, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Just like every other team in the league that didn't make the playoffs.</div>What I meant was we can actually make the good moves. If we use our #4 pick right, and sign someone like Mo Williams with our cap space, we are back. Yes, every team is one or two moves from being in the playoffs, but they don't have the picks for money to make them, but the Grizzlies do.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrizzFanTaylor @ Jun 23 2007, 02:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Thing about Gasol is, the Grizzlies had made the playoffs 3 straight seasons before 06, so it's not like we had been wasting Gasol for as long as the Celtics have been wasting Pierce. One of the reasons the Grizzlies did so poorly was because Gasol was hurt. Some things just didn't fall the Grizzlies' way last season, and we're starting to change things now. I feel like the Grizzlies will either sign a good FA to make Gasol happy, or will deal Gasol this summer. One or two good moves, and the Grizzlies are possibly back in playoff contention. We still have the main core that made the playoffs a season ago.</div>One of the reasons the Celtics fared so badly was because Pierce, and half the team, was hurt.Did you even win a single playoff game? The Grizz are one year removed from the playoffs. The Celtics are two. That's SO much better then what the Celtics have been able to do recently. At least the Celtics have been able win a playoff series with Paul Pierce. The same can't be said about the Grizz with Gasol. How are we wasting him more again? Please explain. Also, you don't have the core that made the playoffs a year ago. You lost the team leader in Shane Battier.

 

At this point, the Celtics need to focus on keeping their young core together. Rajon Rondo, Al Jefferson, and the draft pick wether it be Jeff Green, Yi Jianlin, or someone else is who they need to build around for the next couple of years.

Pierce doesn't want to wait around for the young guys to develop. Besides by the time this team is ready to compete, Pierce will be too old to lead this team on the court. It is very smart to shop Pierce for an 'Allen Iverson' type deal. Celtics should focus on young talent, draft picks, and large expiring contracts.

As Raptorsfan said, most of the current Celtics roster should be on the trading block. This could be a very succesful off-season for Ainge and the Celtics.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Living_Legend33 @ Jun 23 2007, 05:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>One of the reasons the Celtics fared so badly was because Pierce, and half the team, was hurt.Did you even win a single playoff game? The Grizz are one year removed from the playoffs. The Celtics are two. That's SO much better then what the Celtics have been able to do recently.</div>No, but we were a 48-50 win team every year we made the playoffs, and not right at 50% like the Celtics.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>At least the Celtics have been able win a playoff series with Paul Pierce. The same can't be said about the Grizz with Gasol. How are we wasting him more again? Please explain.</div>One of the main reasons the Grizzlies didn't win a playoff game was because Gasol never played good in the playoffs, so that isn't exactly the Grizzlies wasting Gasol, but Gasol wasting the Grizzlies. We played the Spurs, Suns, and Mavs in the playoffs. I would like to see the Celtics not get swept by them. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Also, you don't have the core that made the playoffs a year ago. You lost the team leader in Shane Battier.</div>True.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrizzFanTaylor @ Jun 24 2007, 03:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>One of the main reasons the Grizzlies didn't win a playoff game was because Gasol never played good in the playoffs, so that isn't exactly the Grizzlies wasting Gasol, but Gasol wasting the Grizzlies. We played the Spurs, Suns, and Mavs in the playoffs. I would like to see the Celtics not get swept by them.</div>Look I'm not trying to say the Celtics have been great the last 5 years, but to say the Grizz have been any better is just foolish.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Living_Legend33 @ Jun 24 2007, 04:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Look I'm not trying to say the Celtics have been great the last 5 years, but to say the Grizz have been any better is just foolish.</div>Regular season wise, the Grizzlies have been better. They play in a tougher conference and have put up 48-50 wins a season. Yes, they suck in the playoffs, but they have also played some of the best teams in the Spurs, Mavs, and Suns. Should we have won a playoff game by now? Yes we should have, so I'm not trying to make excuses. To say the Grizzlies have been better than the Celtics is a fair argument, not a foolish one. This argument isn't about which team is better though, so I don't want to go into it. All I was trying to say was it's best for the Celtics and for Pierce to trade him.