I think he takes too much blame for that Pacers-Detroit Incident. Yes him originally jumping in the stands started the fight. People often call him a chemistry killer but it is apparent that without him the Pacers chemistry completely fell apart and in Sacramento he was the center-piece to their playoff stint last season.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXgnLS466HMI think Jermaine Oneal and Stephen Jackson did alot more to erupt the situation than artest did anyway.
The whole brawl itself can be contributed to the Pacers' downfall. They were projected to be a top dog in the East and contend for the NBA Finals. Then, the brawl came, Artest was gone, O'Neal was gone for a while, and Jackson too. The Pacers just lost momentum and their franchise fell. Carlisle took a lot of the heat too, as far as the Pacers' lack of success.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Sacramento he was the center-piece to their playoff stint last season.</div>So why did they fall apart this year? I would amount that to coaching more than what Artest brought. In fact, I think he was one of the reasons Kings did not do well this season. He became more perimeter oriented and took bad shots over the course of the season. He also seemed more intent on the offensive end then defense. But Yeah, the switch from Adelman to Musselman killed the Kings this year. Proven coach with knowledge of the game to a unproven young guy and getting DUI's whose better off as an assisstant than head coach.
<span style="font-family:Arial">Ron Artest is obviously a head case, but you can't look past his basketball talent. Regardless of how insane he might be, he is going to improve every team he suits up for. Artest gets overlooked when people are talking about the best all-around players in the NBA. He can score, rebound, pass, play defense, ect. He does a bit of everything on the court, which people often forget. I don't think he's that bad of a guy, just a bit misunderstood. He offered to give up his entire salary to keep Bonzi Wells and Rick Adelman on the Kings. You won't find to many NBA players who are willing to give up millions of dollars, to keep the team in tact.Anybody remember when Artest first got traded to Sacramento? As soon as they acquired him, they began making some noise. The Kings went on a 14-5 or 14-4 run to close out the season and make the playoffs. He was the main reason the Kings lasted 6 games against the Spurs in round 1.On a different note:In spite of his abilities, he has been the subject of much controversy. During his rookie season with the Chicago Bulls, he was subject to criticism for applying for a job at Circuit City, just to get an employee discount. He once attended an Indiana Pacers practice in a bath robe. He was suspended for two games in the early 2004-05 season by Pacers coach Rick Carlisle after he allegedly asked for a month off because he was tired from promoting an R&B album for the group Allure on his production label.</span>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>During his rookie season with the Chicago Bulls, he was subject to criticism for applying for a job at Circuit City, just to get an employee discount.</div> Rooooofl, wow man just wow. Haha, wow.
Ron Artest was not solely responsible for the Detroit - Indiana brawl at all. Ben Wallace began the altercation by over-reacting to a hard foul. Artest moved away in an attempt to keep himself under control, however the drunk fans caused a mess. Ron Artest was suspended for going into the crowd and actually physically hurting a fan not for creating a huge altercation.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>He was the main reason the Kings lasted 6 games against the Spurs in round 1.</div>I seem to recall Bonzi Wells playing a part in that series as well, along with Kevin Martin breaking out. It wasn't just Artest, even though I believe he did have a part in that run they had after the trade. But he's not solely the reason Sac was successful as seen by this past season.
Ron Artest is just from another planet. As good as he is in some situation, he isn't one of us, and that has to be bad for your team somehow.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrizzFanTaylor @ Jun 23 2007, 02:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The whole brawl itself can be contributed to the Pacers' downfall. They were projected to be a top dog in the East and contend for the NBA Finals. Then, the brawl came, Artest was gone, O'Neal was gone for a while, and Jackson too. The Pacers just lost momentum and their franchise fell. Carlisle took a lot of the heat too, as far as the Pacers' lack of success.</div>precisely, Ron Artest was one of two factors that ruined the Pacers, the other? The lack of security at the Palace of Auburn Hills. You telling me that a team with punks like Rasheed, Big Ben, and even the head strong Billups is gonna have no security around the court? wtf?but ron artest did say he would welcome the chance to play in Indiana again (he lives here) and to be honest, I'd welcome him back. I'd say after Kobe Bryant he's the most talented player in the NBA
Ron Artest will never go back to indiana. The team will never forgive him and I doubt he'll ever want to relive that experience.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jun 24 2007, 10:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ron Artest will never go back to indiana. The team will never forgive him and I doubt he'll ever want to relive that experience.</div>There was an article in the paper where he said he would like to play in Indiana again, he stilll lives here
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Jun 24 2007, 02:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>There was an article in the paper where he said he would like to play in Indiana again, he stilll lives here</div>Just because theres an article in a local newspaper doesn't mean anything. Artest will never play in indiana again after the way the fans treated him. They and the organization are the only reasons he left in the first place.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Jun 24 2007, 06:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'd say after Kobe Bryant he's the most talented player in the NBA</div>No.I've always said (when talking about the Detroit-Indiana brawl) that Artest did not start the whole massacre in the stands. First of all, that foul by him on Ben Wallace was nowhere even close to what a flagrant was back in the '80s and '90s. Wallace overreacted big time and the game was already decided so there was really no point to shove Artest away. Even when Wallace did that, Artest didn't even react in the same manner.. it was his teammates that fueled the fire. After that, drunk Pistons' fans just felt like pissing Artest off. Ron Artest is an all-around good player with great man-to-man defense and I'd be willing to have him on my team any day of the week. He doesn't have a bad attitude, he's just been caught in some bad situations.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Jun 24 2007, 05:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'd say after Kobe Bryant he's the most talented player in the NBA</div> He's very talented, and he's underrated in terms of all-around skills. But I'm sorry, thats ridiculous.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jun 24 2007, 03:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You guys are responding to PFF seriously.Think about it.</div> I know, what the hell was I thinking.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jun 24 2007, 02:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Just because theres an article in a local newspaper doesn't mean anything. Artest will never play in indiana again after the way the fans treated him. They and the organization are the only reasons he left in the first place.</div>Yeah, that must be the reason why he said he would like to play for the Pacers again And to all you other people, name someone outside of Kobe Bryant more talenteded than Ron Artest. Ron can be a 25 ppg guy, he's the best defender in the league, he's a pretty good shooter, he can rebound and pass very well. He's the second most talented player in the NBA.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Jun 24 2007, 07:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, that must be the reason why he said he would like to play for the Pacers again And to all you other people, name someone outside of Kobe Bryant more talenteded than Ron Artest. Ron can be a 25 ppg guy, he's the best defender in the league, he's a pretty good shooter, he can rebound and pass very well. He's the second most talented player in the NBA.</div>Easy...Tim Duncan.
Ron Artest is a psychopath. You should hear this guy's interviews. He reminds me a lot of Mike Tyson. Stephen Jackson and Jermaine O'Neal are just thugs. But Ron Artest has an excuse. He's deranged.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Jun 24 2007, 08:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, that must be the reason why he said he would like to play for the Pacers again And to all you other people, name someone outside of Kobe Bryant more talenteded than Ron Artest. Ron can be a 25 ppg guy, he's the best defender in the league, he's a pretty good shooter, he can rebound and pass very well. He's the second most talented player in the NBA.</div>Ron, is that you?
