Kevin Durant and Tayshaun Prince arent exactly alike, but the style of the two play are similiar. KD is versitle and can score everywhere on the court, but is still much of a perimeter player...much like Tayshaun Prince.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BluffCityBlue @ Jun 25 2007, 01:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kevin Durant and Tayshaun Prince arent exactly alike, but the style of the two play are similiar. KD is versitle and can score everywhere on the court, but is still much of a perimeter player...much like Tayshaun Prince.</div>T-Mac and Lewis and score from anywhere and are primarily perimeter players, as are most of the top tier scorers in the league...with all due respect, I'm still not getting the Prince comparison outside of their bodies. If nothing else, the fact that Prince has very little in his offensive arsenal should mean that there is really no comparison between the 2.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Jun 25 2007, 01:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He will be much more like a T-Mac, Rashard or Carmelo than Dirk. Durant is much more versatile than Dirk, and has much more overall scoring ability than Dirk. Jordan won 6 rings and is, by the VAST majority's opinion, the greatest player to ever play in the NBA... so your point is not really all that valid.</div>Well, winning the rings was done by the team, not the player, and NO team would have passed on Olajuwon at that time, which is the point. The fact that Olajuwon was such a prize is the reason they put the draft lottery in place, after the Rockets were accused of tanking to get him.No team with the #1 pick should pass on Oden either.
Durant probably does have a bigger upside than Oden, and definitely has less potential to be a bust. I really wouldn't even take notice of the fact Durant couldn't bench press 185, especially if you are willing to overlook Oden's wrist.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BluffCityBlue @ Jun 25 2007, 01:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kevin Durant and Tayshaun Prince arent exactly alike, but the style of the two play are similiar. KD is versitle and can score everywhere on the court, but is still much of a perimeter player...much like Tayshaun Prince.</div> Austin, WTF are you talking about honestly. The only thing Prince and Durant have in common is a thin body, trying to compare those two is completely ludicrious. :no1:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Jun 24 2007, 09:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And again, you're just talking about stats.</div> Primetime has clearly not watched Durant or Oden, so all he can do is bring up statistics.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Jun 25 2007, 10:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Primetime has clearly not watched Durant or Oden, so all he can do is bring up statistics.</div>Your only arguement is that hes a center. My arguement isnt about stats entirely but a better overall player.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jordanisoverrated @ Jun 25 2007, 02:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well, winning the rings was done by the team, not the player, and NO team would have passed on Olajuwon at that time, which is the point. The fact that Olajuwon was such a prize is the reason they put the draft lottery in place, after the Rockets were accused of tanking to get him.No team with the #1 pick should pass on Oden either.</div>I agree Portland shouldn't pass on Oden. And at the time Olajuwon was the safest pick, but looking back on the draft, Jordan ended up being the best player to ever play the game and won 4 more rings than Olajuwon. So if Houston ended up picking Jordan over Olajuwon, we would be looking back on that as probably a smart move, or at least not ridiculous like you make it seem.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Jun 25 2007, 01:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I agree Portland shouldn't pass on Oden. And at the time Olajuwon was the safest pick, but looking back on the draft, Jordan ended up being the best player to ever play the game and won 4 more rings than Olajuwon. So if Houston ended up picking Jordan over Olajuwon, we would be looking back on that as probably a smart move, or at least not ridiculous like you make it seem.</div>I'm not making it ridiculous. I'm putting the two in a similar light. The Bowie-Jordan comparison is what is ridiculous. Bowie had already missed 2 years with broken legs, and so Portland perhaps should have been wary of his injury risks. That said, though, he wasn't thought to be a bad pick at the time, and the word was that the Bulls would have taken him as well. Obviously he got injured and didn't work out, but those are the "breaks."My point is that picking Jordan, Bowie, Barkley or anyone else over Akeem that year would have been considered an airball from the free throw line, given what was known, and I think the Oden pick is in that same position. Durant will likely be a great player, but Oden is the pick. Being a long time Blazers fan, I would be hugely disappointed if they took Durant.Despite what Jordan did, and the acclaim he has received, that Houston pick has never been criticized, because it was unquestionably the correct decision.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jordanisoverrated @ Jun 25 2007, 03:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm not making it ridiculous. I'm putting the two in a similar light. The Bowie-Jordan comparison is what is ridiculous. Bowie had already missed 2 years with broken legs, and so Portland perhaps should have been wary of his injury risks. That said, though, he wasn't thought to be a bad pick at the time, and the word was that the Bulls would have taken him as well. Obviously he got injured and didn't work out, but those are the "breaks."My point is that picking Jordan, Bowie, Barkley or anyone else over Akeem that year would have been considered an airball from the free throw line, given what was known, and I think the Oden pick is in that same position. Durant will likely be a great player, but Oden is the pick. Being a long time Blazers fan, I would be hugely disappointed if they took Durant.Despite what Jordan did, and the acclaim he has received, that Houston pick has never been criticized, because it was unquestionably the correct decision.</div>In a perfect world that may be true but Greg Oden isnt Hakeem Olajuwon and Kevin Durant isnt Michael Jordan. They will both be great players theres no doubt about it but on a talent level Durant will always be better, and likely just as dominant. He is also a big man but much more versatile so the arguement for Big Men win titles cannot be used here in comparing the two. I mean I cant understand why you Pick Oden because he's two inches taller when he isnt half the player Durant is and they are both the same age. Sure Durant is small but he will excel very well as a combo F. In Many ways his offensive skillset and rebounding skills remind me of a young Charles Barkley. Putting on Mass and Muscle will come with time as most NBA rookies usually arent huge. Durant has just as good a chance to lead a team to a championship as Oden does.
Durant is one weak bigman then.| and will not be in those PF or C positions unless he develops strength more as well as gaining weight, while not losing his athleicism at the same time.| But then again theres Garnett.| Started skinny and from there on....
I know its a comparison but no one can really tell you the future of these two but the way I see it is Tim Duncan vs Tracy McGradyWho would you draft #1 out of those two?
With the consistent rumors of Randolph being traded, and the trend in the NBA that dominant big men win championships, I would take Oden. When you have the chance to grab one of the most dominant big men entering the NBA in a while, why pass on him?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jordanisoverrated @ Jun 25 2007, 02:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm not making it ridiculous. I'm putting the two in a similar light. The Bowie-Jordan comparison is what is ridiculous. Bowie had already missed 2 years with broken legs, and so Portland perhaps should have been wary of his injury risks. That said, though, he wasn't thought to be a bad pick at the time, and the word was that the Bulls would have taken him as well. Obviously he got injured and didn't work out, but those are the "breaks."My point is that picking Jordan, Bowie, Barkley or anyone else over Akeem that year would have been considered an airball from the free throw line, given what was known, and I think the Oden pick is in that same position. Durant will likely be a great player, but Oden is the pick. Being a long time Blazers fan, I would be hugely disappointed if they took Durant.Despite what Jordan did, and the acclaim he has received, that Houston pick has never been criticized, because it was unquestionably the correct decision.</div>I was not referring to the Bowie comparison, which I have no idea why you brought up in the first place as I don't remember anyone bringing up that comparison. As I said, at the time the Olajuwon pick was the better one, but looking back on it you can't say that if they picked Jordan it wouldn't have been an awesome move as well. As MJ's stardom rised, as he DRASTICALLY increased the Bulls revenue, as he dominated the league, and as he started winning rings...the Olajuwon pick was certainly questioned. Only when Jordan was out of basketball did Olajuwon have any success in leading team to a ring.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Jun 25 2007, 07:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I was not referring to the Bowie comparison, which I have no idea why you brought up in the first place as I don't remember anyone bringing up that comparison. As I said, at the time the Olajuwon pick was the better one, but looking back on it you can't say that if they picked Jordan it wouldn't have been an awesome move as well. As MJ's stardom rised, as he DRASTICALLY increased the Bulls revenue, as he dominated the league, and as he started winning rings...the Olajuwon pick was certainly questioned. Only when Jordan was out of basketball did Olajuwon have any success in leading team to a ring.</div>Picking Hakeem Olajuwon or Michael Jordan is like deciding if you want a Porsche or a Lamborghini. You cant go wrong. I honestly think in 1995 No one could beat Hakeem Olajuwon, he was a man on a mission. He beat the odds in every season and had the most dominant campaign in the playoffs ive ever seen. He would have beat the Bulls that year even with Jordan. in 1995, the Bulls had no one to potentially stop him even if Jordan hadnt retired.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jun 25 2007, 07:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Picking Hakeem Olajuwon or Michael Jordan is like deciding if you want a Porsche or a Lamborghini. You cant go wrong. I honestly think in 1995 No one could beat Hakeem Olajuwon, he was a man on a mission. He beat the odds in every season and had the most dominant campaign in the playoffs ive ever seen. He would have beat the Bulls that year even with Jordan. in 1995, the Bulls had no one to potentially stop him even if Jordan hadnt retired.</div>6 rings to 2, your choice. And once again, drafting is about your needs, if you have an all star big man, you draft Jordan, and vice versa. If you have none, you draft Jordan, in terms of accomplishments, Jordan kill Hakeem, its not really a competition. Its like if you were making a list of top 10 nba players ever, would you put BOTH hakeem and jordan at 1 and 2, most likely, no.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Jun 25 2007, 07:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>6 rings to 2, your choice. And once again, drafting is about your needs, if you have an all star big man, you draft Jordan, and vice versa. If you have none, you draft Jordan, in terms of accomplishments, Jordan kill Hakeem, its not really a competition. Its like if you were making a list of top 10 nba players ever, would you put BOTH hakeem and jordan at 1 and 2, most likely, no.</div>Accomplishments arent everything. If you compare their actual games they are nearly identical. Not everything has to do with who has more rings. If your going by that than Robert Horry is also better then Michael Jordan. You have to look at how they played. Hakeem was the best post-defender during his entire career while MJ was the best perimeter defender most of his career as a bull. Offensively They are also toe to toe as far as skillset and finesse. They are just very close to compare. I wouldnt argue with someone who said Hakeem Olajuwon was the second best player to ever play anyway although personally I would take Kareem over him. He is still easily a top 5 player of alltime and the gap between Hakeem and Jordan isnt very big.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jun 25 2007, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Picking Hakeem Olajuwon or Michael Jordan is like deciding if you want a Porsche or a Lamborghini. You cant go wrong. I honestly think in 1995 No one could beat Hakeem Olajuwon, he was a man on a mission. He beat the odds in every season and had the most dominant campaign in the playoffs ive ever seen. He would have beat the Bulls that year even with Jordan. in 1995, the Bulls had no one to potentially stop him even if Jordan hadnt retired.</div>They would have had problems in '94-'95, but in '93-'94 they had Cartwright and Grant would could do a good job of bothering him, and Grant was a fantastic rebounder. On the other end, the Rockets would have a VERY hard time containing Jordan/Pippen, and a lot of the very good role players like Grant/Armstrong/Kukoc/Kerr/etc...And while Olajuwon was amazing during the playoffs in the 2-peat, Jordan had some amazing playoff runs as well (37/7/7/3 on 51% shooting in 16 games 89/90, or 43/7/7 in the Philly series that same post season, or 44/6/6 against Bird's Celtics).
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jun 25 2007, 07:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Accomplishments arent everything. If you compare their actual games they are nearly identical. Not everything has to do with who has more rings. If your going by that than Robert Horry is also better then Michael Jordan. You have to look at how they played. Hakeem was the best post-defender during his entire career while MJ was the best perimeter defender most of his career as a bull. Offensively They are also toe to toe as far as skillset and finesse. They are just very close to compare. I wouldnt argue with someone who said Hakeem Olajuwon was the second best player to ever play anyway although personally I would take Kareem over him. He is still easily a top 5 player of alltime and the gap between Hakeem and Jordan isnt very big.</div> Theres still a difference, if you start a team with Robert Horry, and surround with some useful role players, is he going to win a ring in 5 years? Will if Michael Jordan with the same thing? Hell yeah.Im saying that Jordan was responsible for those rings, and without Jordan, no 6 rings, simple. And everything does have to do with rings, if it wasnt, they're wouldnt be a true showcase of talent in today's NBA and the past, great players win rings, Jordan beat out Hakeem, you can only think the obvious.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Jun 25 2007, 08:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Theres still a difference, if you start a team with Robert Horry, and surround with some useful role players, is he going to win a ring in 5 years? Will if Michael Jordan with the same thing? Hell yeah.</div>Michael Jordan was an amazing player. So was Hakeem Olajuwon, but I gurantee if Drexler had come to Houston in his prime Hakeem would have won more rings also. Jordan had a great supporting cast throughout the whole 90s along with the greatest coach of alltime. I believe Jordan is better then Olajuwon but my point was that Jordan isnt better because he won more rings.
