<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Jun 25 2007, 07:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Oh please. Trading Al Jefferson and the #5 pick in this draft for an injury prone All-Star would be horrific. Trading Al Jefferson for Jermaine straight up, even if the salaries matched (which they obviously don't) wouldn't even be a good deal.</div>If Jermaine oneal is healthy like I said it wouldnt be a bad deal at all. Jermaine O'neal is a much better player then Jefferson when he is healthy. He has a much better offensive skillset,rebounds better, has more leadership qualities and can anchor a defense. The current Celtics with JO wouldnt be very different from the great pacers team of 04 either.pg-Rondo (quick athletic guard with great passing skills aka tinsley in 04)sg -Delonte West(great shooter who can consistently give you points game in and game out aka late reggie miller)sf-Paul Pierce(Very strong all-around player who can score very efficently and rebound well aka Ron Artest)pf-Jermaine Oneal (no need to explain)C-Kendrick Perkins(Center have can play solid night in night out while not outstanding at anything aka foster)They would be a very competitive team. On paper it might not look like it, but if JO was healthy I could see the Celtics as a 50+ win team easily.You also have an x factor in gerald green who if pans out will be a very strong addition to the team.For now they would be a solid playoff team but by 09' they could be a finals contender if JO stays in shape.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jun 25 2007, 07:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If Jermaine oneal is healthy like I said it wouldnt be a bad deal at all. Jermaine O'neal is a much better player then Jefferson when he is healthy. He has a much better offensive skillset,rebounds better, has more leadership qualities and can anchor a defense. The current Celtics with JO wouldnt be very different from the great pacers team of 04 either.pg-Rondo (quick athletic guard with great passing skills aka tinsley in 04)sg -Delonte West(great shooter who can consistently give you points game in and game out aka late reggie miller)sf-Paul Pierce(Very strong all-around player who can score very efficently and rebound well aka Ron Artest)pf-Jermaine Oneal (no need to explain)C-Kendrick Perkins(Center have can play solid night in night out while not outstanding at anything aka foster)They would be a very competitive team. On paper it might not look like it, but if JO was healthy I could see the Celtics as a 50+ win team easily.</div>Even if Jermaine O'Neal had never been hurt in is entire life and played 82 games a year, I wouldn't do this deal. Al Jefferson is a nightly double-double already, at age 22, and he's one of the more versatile post scorers in the league as well. On top of that, this #5 pick could very well be an All-Star ballplayer, so essentially you're giving up two young stars in their early 20's for one 30 year old star with a bigger contract and more miles on him. Now back to reality, on top of that, Jermaine O'Neal DOES have injury woes every single season and that will never change.Sure, we might be a bit better next season... maybe. But long-term, this deal is putrid for us, and it will never happen. Danny will not deal Al for Jermaine.
Jefferson is younger, with more potential, and not injury prone like O'Neal. Also, the #5 pick is very valuable in this year's draft. Jefferson is a better rebounder than O'Neal, and the Celtics ranked 20 in rebounding last season, so it doesn't make sense to trade any away. On the defensive end, the Cetlics were 13, and that's with a lot of young defensive talent that has a lot of potential to improve. You could also make the argument that Jefferson is a better scorer. Yes, O'Neal put around 3 more points a game than Jefferson, but O'Neal was the leading scorer on his team, with the 2nd highest point total being 14 points from Dunleavy. While in Boston, Al Jefferson was the 2nd leading scorer at 16, with Pierce putting up 25. Primetime, you keep saying in 2-3 years, Boston will maybe be an ECF contender with O'Neal, but they will be just as good, if not better, with Jefferson, and that #5 pick.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Jun 25 2007, 07:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Even if Jermaine O'Neal had never been hurt in is entire life and played 82 games a year, I wouldn't do this deal. Al Jefferson is a nightly double-double already, at age 22, and he's one of the more versatile post scorers in the league as well. On top of that, this #5 pick could very well be an All-Star ballplayer, so essentially you're giving up two young stars in their early 20's for one 30 year old star with a bigger contract and more miles on him. Now back to reality, on top of that, Jermaine O'Neal DOES have injury woes every single season and that will never change.Sure, we might be a bit better next season... maybe. But long-term, this deal is putrid for us, and it will never happen. Danny will not deal Al for Jermaine.</div> Al Jefferson also plays significant minutes because the second best big man on the team is either Kendrick Perkins or Brian Scalabrine. Adding a vet like JO wouldnt hurt the team at all, if anything the celtics need a vet to come in and contribute and young players are in no shortage. Jermaine O'neal can anchor a defense, thats one thing AJ cant do and probably never will be able to do. Sure he is improving alot and looking like a potential allstar but I take a proven Winner who is already an allstar and great weapon anyday if im an inexperienced Celtics team who has no shortage on young talent although If im giving up my #5 pick I would at least try to get the Pacers lottery pick with JO.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrizzFanTaylor @ Jun 25 2007, 07:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Jefferson is younger, with more potential, and not injury prone like O'Neal. Also, the #5 pick is very valuable in this year's draft. Jefferson is a better rebounder than O'Neal, and the Celtics ranked 20 in rebounding last season, so it doesn't make sense to trade any away. On the defensive end, the Cetlics were 13, and that's with a lot of young defensive talent that has a lot of potential to improve. You could also make the argument that Jefferson is a better scorer. Yes, O'Neal put around 3 more points a game than Jefferson, but O'Neal was the leading scorer on his team, with the 2nd highest point total being 14 points from Dunleavy. While in Boston, Al Jefferson was the 2nd leading scorer at 16, with Pierce putting up 25. Primetime, you keep saying in 2-3 years, Boston will maybe me an ECF contender with O'Neal, but they will be just as good, if not better, with Jefferson, and that #5 pick.</div>It all comes down to which guy will be able to anchor your defense? I would keep Jefferson if Jermaine O'neal wasnt a flat out better player, and the Celtics actually need a vet in their lineup. Like I said they have no shortage of young players and it hurts their team. Stat-wise it might not show up but JO would have a much bigger impact on the celtics than Jefferson will and he still has 4-5 good years left in him also. I dont think he will be injured as much in the coming seasons either.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jun 25 2007, 07:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Al Jefferson also plays significant minutes because the second best big man on the team is either Kendrick Perkins or Brian Scalabrine. Adding a vet like JO wouldnt hurt the team at all, if anything the celtics need a vet to come in and contribute and young players are in no shortage. Jermaine O'neal can anchor a defense, thats one thing AJ cant do and probably never will be able to do. Sure he is improving alot and looking like a potential allstar but I take a proven Winner who is already an allstar and great weapon anyday if im an inexperienced Celtics team who has no shortage on young talent although If im giving up my #5 pick I would at least try to get the Pacers lottery pick with JO.</div>First of all, the 2nd best big man on this team is Ryan Gomes. Secondly, I don't care if Jefferson's sidekick down low is Karl Malone or Pat Burke, his abilities are still there and he's clearly one of the better young bigs in the game. Adding a vet like JO wouldn't hurt us, you say... OK. It also doesn't help us in 3 years when Jermaine is walking with a limp at age 33, Jefferson is in his mid-20's, and the #5 pick gets himself established.Obviously if this deal was only about one season in the NBA, Jermaine O'Neal is a better player than Al Jefferson (but, not by a ridiculous margin). Now factor in the ages, the contributions Jefferson is already putting up (roughly 20/11 after the All-Star break), and the #5 pick in one of the deepest drafts in the history of the game. I'm sorry, but if you honestly think the Celtics should (or would) deal Al Jefferson and the #5 pick for Jermaine O'Neal, you are incompetent.Also, the Pacers don't have a lottery pick.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jun 25 2007, 07:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Stat-wise it might not show up but JO would have a much bigger impact on the celtics than Jefferson will and he still has 4-5 good years left in him also. I dont think he will be injured as much in the coming seasons either.</div>He can't have a bigger impact than Jefferson if he doesn't stay healthy, and the only way you can actually predict whether a player will be injured or not is to look at tendencies, and O'Neal has a high tendency of being injured. Jefferson will have just as big, if not a bigger impact scoring and rebounding, while defense, you can't be sure of. He's still young. You also seem to be forgetting about this #5 pick, aka Jeff Green, or Corey Brewer etc, etc. They can easily pick up more defense in the draft.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Jun 25 2007, 03:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>and the #5 pick gets himself established.</div>That's a huge factor. Although the C's didn't land a top two pick at number five they can still nab a future all-star. So basically it comes down to, is it smart to trade two future all-stars for one current/former all-star, probably not.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Jun 25 2007, 07:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>First of all, the 2nd best big man on this team is Ryan Gomes. Secondly, I don't care if Jefferson's sidekick down low is Karl Malone or Pat Burke, his abilities are still there and he's clearly one of the better young bigs in the game. Adding a vet like JO wouldn't hurt us, you say... OK. It also doesn't help us in 3 years when Jermaine is walking with a limp at age 33, Jefferson is in his mid-20's, and the #5 pick gets himself established.Obviously if this deal was only about one season in the NBA, Jermaine O'Neal is a better player than Al Jefferson (but, not by a ridiculous margin). Now factor in the ages, the contributions Jefferson is already putting up (roughly 20/11 after the All-Star break), and the #5 pick in one of the deepest drafts in the history of the game. I'm sorry, but if you honestly think the Celtics should (or would) deal Al Jefferson and the #5 pick for Jermaine O'Neal, you are incompetent.Also, the Pacers don't have a lottery pick.</div>Right now People are low on Jermaine O'neal because he's been injured lately but he is still the same player he was when he led the Pacers to 60 wins. 2 bad seasons and its like he was never a great player. Jermaine O'neal is a more valuable player period. It's like a comparison of KG to Duncan. Sure KG has more raw talent but his tendecies in the game are what seperate the two along with a big difference defensively. You can say Jefferson may be better in 3-4 years than JO and that will likely be true but the Celtics need a vet. The only guy they have on their team with any experience is Paul Pierce and Olawakandi. That's pretty sad and a big part of why they are such a bad team right now. As the Bulls learned this season, the key to the next step is adding that one vet who can lead your defense.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jun 25 2007, 03:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The only guy they have on their team with any experience is Paul Pierce and Olawakandi.</div>Wally, Theo, and Scals?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DRob-50-Forever @ Jun 25 2007, 08:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wally, Theo, and Scals?</div>All of them are garbage players and I would hardly call them experienced. I believe between them they havent won one playoff series or at least been a major factor in the playoff series. They are also a collection of some of the poorer defenders in the entire NBA.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jun 25 2007, 08:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>All of them are garbage players and I would hardly call them experienced. I believe between them they havent won one playoff series or at least been a major factor in the playoff series. They are also a collection of some of the poorer defenders in the entire NBA.</div>Wally has been all the way to the WCF. How is that not experienced?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jun 25 2007, 04:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>All of them are garbage players and I would hardly call them experienced. I believe between them they havent won one playoff series or at least been a major factor in the playoff series. They are also a collection of some of the poorer defenders in the entire NBA.</div>You mention the Khandi man yet Wally is garbage? Wow. They all have more experience than Khandi. I take it you don't know who Theo is, unless you meant one of the best defenders, not worst. Wow.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DRob-50-Forever @ Jun 25 2007, 08:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You mention the Khandi man yet Wally is garbage? Wow. They all have more experience than Khandi. I take it you don't know who Theo is, unless you meant one of the best defenders, not worst. Wow.</div>I said Kandi was also garbage. And yes Wally is not a great player. He is a good shooter but completely one-dimensional. I dont consider Theo Ratcliff as great a player as you do obviously either.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrizzFanTaylor @ Jun 25 2007, 08:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wally has been all the way to the WCF. How is that not experienced?</div> I said ''I believe they havent one a series collectively'' I'll admit I wasnt sure but Wally was not a major factor at all in that WCF campaign.
I can see the point in bringing in O'Neal, but just not for Jefferson and the #5. Pierce + O'Neal is still not enough to win a championship in my mind. So, 5 years down the road, when they are both gone, they'll look back and be like, crap. But, if you wouldn't have done that deal, you could have a really good team with a developed Al Jefferson (who has a very good chance of surpassing O'Neal), Gerald Green, Rajon Rondo, whoever you pick at 5, plus more.Only way I would do this deal is I were the Celtics is if you were very confident you could contend for a championship with this team. And with O'Neal being injury prone, and young teams in the East rising such as the Bulls and Cavs, it's not very likely.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Camby23Land @ Jun 25 2007, 05:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well Boston pulled out.http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/466...ur_way_kg_deal/</div>Can't blame them.
Boston pulled out but if the Lakers can get KG this summer they will easily be in contension for best team in the nba. Any time you put the two most talented players on the court at one time it works out well. Even if they do get KG, they still need a PG though.
