<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobetmacyao01 @ Jun 26 2007, 05:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>yeah I know, its been pretty bad in the 06-07 season. Hes got playmaking skills I want him to show the NBA it.Hes like an Andre Miller right now.</div>I really hope you're kidding about the Andre Miller comment. I havent watched him much (only a few regular season games and playoffs) since he left Miami a few years ago but I know that Alston is a shoot first guy, Andre Miller is a playmaking guard that gets everyone involved in the game and will pass the ball over taking a shot every time. He is also a below average shooter outside of like 15 feet. Alston has great ball-handling skills but is a shoot-first guard. Alston can become a good play-maker with his quickness and handling but right now he is strictly a shoot-first guard. He takes the shot everytime he is open and also makes a lot of mistakes by trying to force shots. I've always liked Alston but to say he is the play-maker that Andre Miller is plain dumb.
Tracy is a POINTFORWARD because he handled the primary set up roles and he did it better than Rafer.Rafer COULD be a a good PG if he could be any kind of a threat offensively but you cant blame JVG for Rafer sucking. Rafer has had 1, count them 1 good season in a career that spans 8 years. He isnt a bad distributer and if you saw any of the Rocket games without him the offense really struggled to get going. But IMO Rafer is more suited for a back-up role or atleast a 25-28 minutes a night not a full fledge starter.LET ME JUST COPY AND PASTE OUR ARGUMENT<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobetmacyao)</div><div class='quotemain'>if your gonna call t-mac one you mind as well call Josh Howard, Paul Pierce and Corey Maggette one.</div>Oh what a great way to make it sound like you know what your talking about. Maggette LOL just find a new board to spam man, M2 doesn't need any lames. How are they even similar? Maggette never runs an offense because he isnt suited for that role a horrible passer mentioning him just about killed any argument you thought you had, the Mavs run the most simple iso-offense that no one on their team should be considered a PG much less Josh Howard. Paul Pierce does it from time to time but he isnt very effective at it.Lets just look at the comparisons you used:-----------+ Ast/40 + Ast/Ratio + T.o.Ratio + Maggette + - 3.6 -+--- 13.9 ---+- 13.4Howard --+ - 2.1 -+---- 8.7 ---+- 8.5Pierce ---+ - 4.5 -+--- 13.9 ---+- 13.4Tracy ----+ - 7.2 -+--- 19.4 ---+- 9.0Lebron ---+ - 5.9 -+--- 17.7 ---+- 9.4How do you get off comparing ANY of those guys to Tracy? None are as efficient of a set up man than Tmac, NONE combine high Assist rates/ratios with low turnover ratios. The only guy in Tmacs league among star scorers is Lebron and thats because hes a great passer though hes had better years, Lebrons game is slowly drifting away from that of a set-up man.If thats not enough then lets look at the league leaders in team assist %layer Team Ast T'Mate FGM Ast'd <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Nash PHO 693 1481 46.8% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Rodriguez POR 165 361 45.7% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Ford TOR 470 1075 43.7% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Williams UTA 593 1472 40.3% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Paul NOK 431 1072 40.2% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Kidd NJN 593 1477 40.1% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Calderon TOR 317 796 39.8% Wade MIA 362 937 38.6% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Tinsley IND 419 1114 37.6% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Knight CHA 191 523 36.5% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Davis GSW 402 1109 36.2% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Miller DEN 209 588 35.5% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Cassell LAC 256 739 34.6% McGrady HOU 358 1057 33.9% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Miller PHI 312 949 32.9% Iverson PHI 109 333 32.7% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Watson SEA 373 1144 32.6% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Billups DET 413 1278 32.3% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Felton CHA 452 1419 31.9% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Williams NJN 198 629 31.5% Oh my god whos name pops up there amongst nothing but POINTGAURDS is that Tracy McGrady? You tell me man, you can read cant you? If you can then explain how a non pg could make the list? Heres a hint, because he RUNS THE OFFENSE. The only guys who arent primary pointgaurds DONT PLAY THE 3, so by default are known as combo gaurds. Tmac qualifies as a POINT FORWARD<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobetmacyao)</div><div class='quotemain'>LOL..I'm guessing you have no idea what point forward means.</div>Try watching some of Tmacs games and youll realize what it meens and maybe youll stop comparing his set-up abilities to that of Maggette'sTry watching some of Tmacs games and youll realize what it meens and maybe youll stop comparing his set-up abilities to that of Maggette's
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chronz @ Jul 11 2007, 05:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Tracy is a POINTFORWARD because he handled the primary set up roles and he did it better than Rafer.Rafer COULD be a a good PG if he could be any kind of a threat offensively but you cant blame JVG for Rafer sucking. Rafer has had 1, count them 1 good season in a career that spans 8 years. He isnt a bad distributer and if you saw any of the Rocket games without him the offense really struggled to get going. But IMO Rafer is more suited for a back-up role or atleast a 25-28 minutes a night not a full fledge starter.LET ME JUST COPY AND PASTE OUR ARGUMENTOh what a great way to make it sound like you know what your talking about. Maggette LOL just find a new board to spam man, M2 doesn't need any lames. How are they even similar? Maggette never runs an offense because he isnt suited for that role a horrible passer mentioning him just about killed any argument you thought you had, the Mavs run the most simple iso-offense that no one on their team should be considered a PG much less Josh Howard. Paul Pierce does it from time to time but he isnt very effective at it.Lets just look at the comparisons you used:-----------+ Ast/40 + Ast/Ratio + T.o.Ratio + Maggette + - 3.6 -+--- 13.9 ---+- 13.4Howard --+ - 2.1 -+---- 8.7 ---+- 8.5Pierce ---+ - 4.5 -+--- 13.9 ---+- 13.4Tracy ----+ - 7.2 -+--- 19.4 ---+- 9.0Lebron ---+ - 5.9 -+--- 17.7 ---+- 9.4How do you get off comparing ANY of those guys to Tracy? None are as efficient of a set up man than Tmac, NONE combine high Assist rates/ratios with low turnover ratios. The only guy in Tmacs league among star scorers is Lebron and thats because hes a great passer though hes had better years, Lebrons game is slowly drifting away from that of a set-up man.If thats not enough then lets look at the league leaders in team assist %layer Team Ast T'Mate FGM Ast'd <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Nash PHO 693 1481 46.8% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Rodriguez POR 165 361 45.7% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Ford TOR 470 1075 43.7% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Williams UTA 593 1472 40.3% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Paul NOK 431 1072 40.2% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Kidd NJN 593 1477 40.1% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Calderon TOR 317 796 39.8% Wade MIA 362 937 38.6% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Tinsley IND 419 1114 37.6% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Knight CHA 191 523 36.5% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Davis GSW 402 1109 36.2% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Miller DEN 209 588 35.5% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Cassell LAC 256 739 34.6% McGrady HOU 358 1057 33.9% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Miller PHI 312 949 32.9% Iverson PHI 109 333 32.7% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Watson SEA 373 1144 32.6% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Billups DET 413 1278 32.3% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Felton CHA 452 1419 31.9% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Williams NJN 198 629 31.5% Oh my god whos name pops up there amongst nothing but POINTGAURDS is that Tracy McGrady? You tell me man, you can read cant you? If you can then explain how a non pg could make the list? Heres a hint, because he RUNS THE OFFENSE. The only guys who arent primary pointgaurds DONT PLAY THE 3, so by default are known as combo gaurds. Tmac qualifies as a POINT FORWARDTry watching some of Tmacs games and youll realize what it meens and maybe youll stop comparing his set-up abilities to that of Maggette'sTry watching some of Tmacs games and youll realize what it meens and maybe youll stop comparing his set-up abilities to that of Maggette's</div>Tracy McGrady isnt a Point Forward you moron, he played SG the whole f*cking year except for like 1 or 2 games. And you can easily blame JVG for Rafer sucking, because of his retarded offensive system, and he made players who werent even comfortable shooting 3s, shoot 3s. Like the Spanoulis situation
OK So you admit Tmac handled the playmaking/distributing roles the way a pointforward would, but the only reason he isnt considered a PointForward is because he started at SG all year. OK well let me explain to you why your logic is flawed. Tmac spent 37% of the Rockets total minutes at the 2 and 25% of the Rockets total minutes at the 3 so he plays enough minutes to QUALIFY as a pointforward. Its why he was often called a pointforward ALOT this year. By the Rockets announcers, other teams announcers, the tnt/espn guys and was even mentioned as a PointForward in a game log. And offensively the team did play significantly better when he played the 3SpotIm sorry but calling me an idiot doesn't refute ANY OF THESE FACTS.As for JVG yes he is an offensively challenged coach who is notorious for not adapting to his role players strengths. But Rafer has sucked in other places long before coming to Houston, the only time he had a DECENT year was when he played for a lottery bound Toronto team. Anything else you want to add to your classy arguments?
Well all I can say is Alston has some obvious weakness that hurt the rockets BADLY in the playoff this year. 1) his defense and body toughness is just not enough to guard some good PG.2) I heard the person saying JVG focusing on Yao&Mac and alston is not used alot. come on..with yao and mac how many open shots are you going to get even if you get 1/3 of it you are a 20 pts player....3) I saw some of his street ball moves but it that's the only thing he gets the fans excited...thats like 20 sec per game. 4) he can't drive the ball inside. if he can we could have swept the jazz in the playoff easily..thats just my opinion..no offense for all those alston fans
