Politics 2020 Debate part 2

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  1. Lanny

    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    That's what they said about Obama.
     
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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    How much did Trump do to help those people?
     
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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    Whatever the cost, you can't let people suffer with illness or physical problems and no health care. You wouldn't let you wife or children go without medical care. What makes you think that poor people are less deserving?
     
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    True, however Obama has that karesma and he was a great speaker. But the big thing is not sure your guy appeals to the black voter? Maybe he will buy the time the primary roles around?
     
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    My guess is and I hope this isnt racist if @SlyPokerDog or @dviss1 want I’ll delete it. I know very few Blacks who would vote for Trump (in fact I cant think of any that I know)As long as the democrat running isnt just as slimy, I think the majority of Black voters will vote for just about anyone not Trump.
     
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    That could be true. Not sure the how the midwest and S/SE would break down though.
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko Staff Member Global Moderator

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    I agree with you that very few black people will end up voting for Trump. The bigger question is whether they'll turn out to vote for whoever he's running against. Same question applies to every other potential anti-Trump voting bloc, e.g. young people.

    A separate but closely related question is whether a candidate can or should win the nomination without significant support from blacks (or any other sizable group).

    2016 proves that some percentage of people will not vote for the 'lesser of two evils'. Unfortunately the supporters of evil will enthusiastically vote for the greater of two evils.

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    MARIS61 Real American

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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    Look, I'm sure there are all kinds of people that he doesn't appeal to but that doesn't affect how I view him other than I don't hold out much hope that he can get nominated the same as I didn't hold out much hope for Obama to get nominated in spite of his charisma.
    As I said before, I think Biden has the best shot at getting nominated in spite of the fact that he's probably somewhere around my fifth pick. Fifth pick is still an excellent pick especially when I consider who his opponent will be in the general election.
     
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    Why are you looking in a septic tank for a tootsie roll? Why are you even thinking about looking for a tootsie roll in a septic tank? What made you think of such a thing? Trump?
     
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    I presume when you say mid West and South/South East you are referring to Blacks in those regions. In that case I am certain that Blacks will vote overwhelmingly against Trump which means for the Democratic candidate.
    I don't expect the next election to be that close. I see even the Senate as being in play in the next election. The House? Will remain in Democratic hands perhaps even more so. This election is not going to go well for Republicans and they have only themselves to blame.
    Had Republicans repudiated Trump I think they may have fared well in the next election, and you know what? I wouldn't have minded that much.
     
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    If they come with a candidate that is moderate/centrist mores than extreme left demo socialist I think you are 100% correct. But if Bernie Sanders gets the nomination I do not agree.
    Maybe in 2024 the country will be ready to embrace the socialist way?
     
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    No, the country is not ready for full throttled socialism but a degree of socialism, yes. e.g. Medicare, social security, welfare, medicaid, public school and snap. I see Bernie as being tempered by Congress.
    However, Bernie is lower on my list than Biden, not that my list is all that important to most in here.
     
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    I am keeping an eye on Hickenb as he's to me has a nice balance and objective performance in his State.
    I think he will reach out for bipartisan cooperation and support. I see him appealing to moderates if he gets chance to say in the race, which I doubt.
     
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    He effectively has zero chance, not even as much chance as Yang.
     
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    Anyone but Biden
     
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    Too late to object, the writing is on the wall.
     
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    Interesting data. Looks like Warren, who I thought had a good debate, had an excellent debate. And it looks like everyone hated John Delaney as much as I did :)



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    Honestly, if the Democratic party were smart and really wanted a shot at winning, they should have just marched Obama back out for the election.
     
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    Why isn't Harris included?
     
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