Zach Collins: MIP?

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  1. PDXFonz

    PDXFonz I’m listening

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    Is it because he won’t get the volume that other players and MIP candidates will get?

    Or is it because she likes to bump zombie threads?
     
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    I think you missed the memo on so-called zombie threads.
     
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    PDXFonz I’m listening

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    I was just wondering why MM can’t have sex with Alba, if she did that it would explain. Beautiful, talented, but a shame she likes to bump zombie threads. That’s a deal breaker!
     
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    He'll be much improved. Obviously, he won't win MIP, or even be in consideration. He won't score enough points for that, which is fine by me. I'll judge his improvement tangentially, through TEAM success and the eye test (as opposed to individual stats).
     
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    Hezonja could take some heat off dame bringing the ball down and that bench would ve damned good.
    Hood/bazemore/simons/skal/whiteside?
     
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    Who then?
     
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    No idea.
     
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    that was a nothing-burger of an article

    I expected some analysis of Zach vs other young players or at least other young bigs...but there was none. Basically, it was based on Olshey praise of Collins, then fluffing a 60 word quote into a 600 word 'article'. I mean, if Zach is "way ahead" how was that conclusion derived? Wouldn't you expect a foundation for that claim?

    worse is this: "The choice will be a tough one for Terry Stotts, who now has Hassan Whiteside on his roster as another well-known shot-blocker." ....Wut? Why is it a tough choice for Stotts? Does this guy think that Portland traded for Whiteside so he could be Zach's backup at C?

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    DRPM last year for young PF's:

    Jaren Jackson Jr. 2.18 Pascal Siakam 2.16 Maxi Kleber 2.10 Daniel Theis 1.80 Noah Vonleh 1.60 Alan Williams 1.27 Jonathan Isaac 1.13 Larry Nance Jr. 0.99 Domantas Sabonis 0.98 Cheick Diallo 0.93 Zach Collins 0.93 Aaron Gordon 0.78

    and for C's (including Portland connected):

    Ed Davis 4.13 Nerlens Noel 3.81 Hassan Whiteside 3.61 Myles Turner 3.43 Jusuf Nurkic 3.35 Nikola Jokic 2.59 Willie Cauley-Stein 2.52 Bam Adebayo 2.40 Ivica Zubac 2.24 Kevon Looney 2.18 Jakob Poeltl 1.40 Jarrett Allen 1.25 Mitchell Robinson 1.05 Thomas Bryant 0.95 Zach Collins 0.93 Deandre Ayton 0.90
     
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    Uh...first: Clutchpoints. Enough said. Here's their staff: https://clutchpoints.com/team/

    Second, I'd be interested in getting a real NBA guy's take on the value of DRPM stats. It seems to me that points allowed per 100 possessions is dependent upon much more than any given player's defensive prowess (pace and quality of teammates you're playing with being the first two factors that come to mind). Have you ever seen the formula used to calculate DRPM? I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad stat, but I don't know enough about it to say whether it is really significant. My sense is that Zach is an excellent shot-blocker, but that he has a ways to go in terms of staying in front of his man, remaining vertical and not committing silly fouls.
     
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    sure. I agree that just about all so-called defensive stats should be viewed a little skeptically, DRPM included

    you mentioned pace and teammate quality. Another factor would be minutes played; a player with low minutes might have quite a bit of skew with his numbers. And another factor could be how much time a player spent defending 1st units vs 2nd units

    I think DRPM does a decent job of reflecting eyeball tests. Look at the top-15 last year:

    1 Rudy Gobert, C 4.35
    2 Ed Davis, C 4.13
    3 Nerlens Noel, C 3.81
    4 Draymond Green, PF 3.74
    5 Joel Embiid, C 3.72
    6 Tyson Chandler, C 3.64
    7 Hassan Whiteside, C 3.61
    8 Nikola Vucevic, C 3.59
    9 DeMarcus Cousins, C 3.57
    10 Brook Lopez, C 3.54
    11 Giannis Antetokounmpo, PF 3.53
    12 Robert Covington, SF 3.52
    13 Myles Turner, C 3.43
    14 Jusuf Nurkic, C 3.35
    15 Anthony Davis, F 3.20

    that seems to track what I've seen in terms of top defenders...with 3 exceptions: Ed Davis, Nerlens Noel, and Tyson Chandler. Now, all three of those guys are good defenders, but they don't seem that good. Then I see that Davis averaged 18 minutes, Noel 14 minutes, and Chandler 16 minutes (in only 55 games)

    so if you set a floor of 20 minutes.game, the top-15 is: Rudy Gobert, C Draymond Green, PF Joel Embiid, C Hassan Whiteside, C Nikola Vucevic, C DeMarcus Cousins, C Brook Lopez, C Giannis Antetokounmpo, PF Robert Covington, SF Myles Turner, C Jusuf Nurkic, C Anthony Davis, F DeAndre Jordan, C Paul George, SF Derrick Favors, PF

    Looks like the stat reflects what happens defensively around the league. It does favor big men as 13 of the top 15 are C's and PF's

    Zach? he's very mobile and very fast-twitch. He also appears to have good lateral speed and decent lateral reaction. I think he'll end up being a good defender...maybe a real good one. He certainly needs to develop his core strength...a lot. He's re-directed by contact far too easily and I think a lot of his fouls are reactions to that re-direction. He also needs to get much better at rebounding. An important component of defense is clearing the glass. Aminu had a 22.6% defensive rebound rate, Meyers 21.8%, Turner 18.9%; Zach only 16.5%
     
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    Zach rating in the playoffs was over 3 and I believe Zach started to come in his own was the playoffs.
     

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