<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (valo35 @ Jul 3 2007, 06:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It sounds fun to me, seeing who picks the best team.</div>And it will keep everyone in this till the end.. :happy0144: I think we're going to try this and see how it works.
G) Jerry WestG) Walt FrazierF) Elgin BaylorPF) Elvin HayesConsidering I'm always picking at the ends of the draft, I don't think I have done a bad job of getting good players. Everyone of them was a proven 20 point scorer or more in their primes as well as being some of the all-time greats in basketball.
So far I'm quite happy with my team. Certain key additions still need to be made but I have people in mind.PG- Magic JohnsonSG- Bernard KingSF- Scottie PippenPF-C- Patrick Ewing
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticFan @ Jul 3 2007, 12:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>you can thank the dude who picked Lebron james.. methinks he didn't read the rules correctly.</div>Lebron James today is a good ass player. Did you even watch the playoffs?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (808Hornetsfan @ Jun 27 2007, 12:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><u>Official Rules</u>As far as picking goes, you are to select an NBA player as if they were to retire TODAY, not where they'll be when the retire.</div>well no duh he's a good player, but basing his 4 years in the league vs guys with entire careers and all time greats is a little premature.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticFan @ Jul 4 2007, 03:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>well no duh he's a good player, but basing his 4 years in the league vs guys with entire careers and all time greats is a little premature.</div>good point, and besides, LeBron hasn't done enough to secure a good career, what happens if he starts to play like crap for the next 6-8 seasons, and his numbers go lower and lower until eventually no team wants him. Not saying that could ever happen, but that would seriously damage his rep as the best player in basketball.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (808Hornetsfan @ Jul 4 2007, 06:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>good point, and besides, LeBron hasn't done enough to secure a good career, what happens if he starts to play like crap for the next 6-8 seasons, and his numbers go lower and lower until eventually no team wants him. Not saying that could ever happen, but that would seriously damage his rep as the best player in basketball.</div>What if that happened to Kobe or any other of the current players who were drafted. I thought we were drafting based on who they are today and not what might happen in the future.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mobruler @ Jul 4 2007, 06:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What if that happened to Kobe or any other of the current players who were drafted. I thought we were drafting based on who they are today and not what might happen in the future.</div>Same, I drafted Kobe even though his best days are mostly behind him he still has a chance to go down in history better than he would today.I am literally praying my guy drops even further, even though I doubt it will happen.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mobruler @ Jul 4 2007, 08:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Again, did you watch the playoffs?</div>sooo if lebron never plays another game, he's a top 25 player right now?no, he's not, he hasn't accomplished enough.hence the reason not to pick him.
With the way he plays <u>right now</u> and considering we're drafting current players based on how they play <u>right now</u> you'd be hard pressed to convince me anyone drafted after him is any better. I ask again, did you watch the playoffs?
oh and RIGHT NOW, he's not an MVP, scoring/rebounding/assist leader, champion.so right now he's a good player not a legend, champion or MVP.So yeah he's a good young lad, but he's had a 4 year career.now someone with 9-16 years of excellence, has to be considered better IMO because most likely they've accomplished more and done it longer.
oh and, if Lebron retired RIGHT NOW, where would he rank all-time based on 4 years of play?not even top 100.
Lebron James as a basketball player right now is as good as anyone who was drafted after him.I don't know how many more ways I need to word this before you learn how to comprehend the logic.And don't post 3 times in a row again. Edit your first post if you need to add something.
LeBron James(2003-2007) 26.7 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 6.0 apg, 3 All-Star appearances, 2004 ROTY, 17-14 playoff record (0-4 Finals record).Bob Cousy(1950-1970) 18.4 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 7.5 apg, Hall of Famer, six-time NBA champion, 10-time All-NBA first team, 13-time All-Star, 1957 league MVP, One of the 50 greatest players in NBA history.Walt Frazier(1967-1980) 18.9 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 6.1 apg, Hall of Famer, two-time NBA champion, four-time All-NBA first team, seven-time All-Star, seven-time All-NBA Defensive first team, One of the 50 greatest players in NBA history.Elvin Hayes(1968-1984) 21.0 ppg, 12.5 rpg, 1.8 apg, Hall of Famer, NBA Champion 1978, three-time All-NBA first team, two-time All-NBA Defensive second team, 12-time All-Star, three-time All-NBA second team, One of the 50 greatest players in NBA history.Bill Walton(1974-1980; 1982-1987) 13.3 ppg, 10.5 rpg, 3.4 apg, Hall of Famer, two-time NBA champion, Finals MVP 1977, League MVP 1978, All-NBA first team 1978, two-time NBA All-Star, two-time All-NBA Defensive team, Sixth Man Award 1986, One of the 50 greatest players in NBA history.Reggie Miller(1987-2005) 18.2 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 3.0 apg, five-time All-Star, The NBA All-time leader in 3pt FGs, has never averaged less than 10.0 ppg in any of his 18 seasons, has never shot less than 43% from the field in any of his 18 seasons.Pistol Pete Maravich(1970-1980) 24.2 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 5.4 apg, Hall of Famer, two-time All-NBA first team, two-time All-NBA second team, five-time All-Star, One of the 50 greatest players in NBA history, shot a career total 66% from behind the three-point mark.John Havlicek(1962-1978) 20.8 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 4.8 apg, Hall of Famer, eight-time NBA champion, Finals MVP 1974, four-time All-NBA first team, seven-time All-NBA second team, five-time All-NBA defensive first team, three-time All-NBA defensive second team, 13-time All-Star, One of the 50 greatest players in NBA history.George Gervin (1972-1984) 26.2 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 2.8 apg, Hall of Famer, five-time All-NBA first team, two-time All-NBA second team, nine-time All-Star, One of the 50 greatest players in NBA history. Nate Archibald(1970-1984) 18.8 ppg, 2,3 rpg, 7.4 apg, NBA champion 1981, three-time All-NBA first team, two-time All-NBA second team, six-time All-Star, One of the 50 greatest players in NBA history.Adrian Dantley(1976-1991) 24.3 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 3.0 apg, two-time All-NBA second team, ROTY 1977, Comeback Player of the Year 1984, six-time All-Star, 1976 Olympic Gold Medalist.Rick Barry(1965-1980) 23.2 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 5.1 apg, Hall of Famer, NBA champion 1975, Finals MVP 1975, five-time All-NBA first team, All-NBA second team 1973, ROTY 1966, eight-time All-Star, One of the 50 greatest players in NBA history.Bernard King(1977-1993) 22.5 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 3.3 apg, two-time All-NBA first team, All-NBA second team 1982, All-NBA third team 1991, Comeback Player of the Year 1981, four-time All-Star.The list goes on and on of players who were able to accomplish WAY more than LeBron for a good 10-15 years...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (808Hornetsfan @ Jul 5 2007, 03:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>LeBron James(2003-2007) 26.7 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 6.0 apg, 3 All-Star appearances, 2004 ROTY, 17-14 playoff record (0-4 Finals record).Bob Cousy(1950-1970) 18.4 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 7.5 apg, Hall of Famer, six-time NBA champion, 10-time All-NBA first team, 13-time All-Star, 1957 league MVP, One of the 50 greatest players in NBA history.Walt Frazier(1967-1980) 18.9 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 6.1 apg, Hall of Famer, two-time NBA champion, four-time All-NBA first team, seven-time All-Star, seven-time All-NBA Defensive first team, One of the 50 greatest players in NBA history.Elvin Hayes(1968-1984) 21.0 ppg, 12.5 rpg, 1.8 apg, Hall of Famer, NBA Champion 1978, three-time All-NBA first team, two-time All-NBA Defensive second team, 12-time All-Star, three-time All-NBA second team, One of the 50 greatest players in NBA history.Bill Walton(1974-1980; 1982-1987) 13.3 ppg, 10.5 rpg, 3.4 apg, Hall of Famer, two-time NBA champion, Finals MVP 1977, League MVP 1978, All-NBA first team 1978, two-time NBA All-Star, two-time All-NBA Defensive team, Sixth Man Award 1986, One of the 50 greatest players in NBA history.Reggie Miller(1987-2005) 18.2 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 3.0 apg, five-time All-Star, The NBA All-time leader in 3pt FGs, has never averaged less than 10.0 ppg in any of his 18 seasons, has never shot less than 43% from the field in any of his 18 seasons.Pistol Pete Maravich(1970-1980) 24.2 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 5.4 apg, Hall of Famer, two-time All-NBA first team, two-time All-NBA second team, five-time All-Star, One of the 50 greatest players in NBA history, shot a career total 66% from behind the three-point mark.John Havlicek(1962-1978) 20.8 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 4.8 apg, Hall of Famer, eight-time NBA champion, Finals MVP 1974, four-time All-NBA first team, seven-time All-NBA second team, five-time All-NBA defensive first team, three-time All-NBA defensive second team, 13-time All-Star, One of the 50 greatest players in NBA history.George Gervin (1972-1984) 26.2 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 2.8 apg, Hall of Famer, five-time All-NBA first team, two-time All-NBA second team, nine-time All-Star, One of the 50 greatest players in NBA history. Nate Archibald(1970-1984) 18.8 ppg, 2,3 rpg, 7.4 apg, NBA champion 1981, three-time All-NBA first team, two-time All-NBA second team, six-time All-Star, One of the 50 greatest players in NBA history.Adrian Dantley(1976-1991) 24.3 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 3.0 apg, two-time All-NBA second team, ROTY 1977, Comeback Player of the Year 1984, six-time All-Star, 1976 Olympic Gold Medalist.Rick Barry(1965-1980) 23.2 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 5.1 apg, Hall of Famer, NBA champion 1975, Finals MVP 1975, five-time All-NBA first team, All-NBA second team 1973, ROTY 1966, eight-time All-Star, One of the 50 greatest players in NBA history.Bernard King(1977-1993) 22.5 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 3.3 apg, two-time All-NBA first team, All-NBA second team 1982, All-NBA third team 1991, Comeback Player of the Year 1981, four-time All-Star.The list goes on and on of players who were able to accomplish WAY more than LeBron for a good 10-15 years...</div>Those statistic's don't work. These statistics factor in great players declines which would lower their overall PPG, RPG, APG. However, I do agree that LeBron right now does not compare with guys like Bernard King and Elvin Hayes.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GArenas @ Jul 5 2007, 04:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Those statistic's don't work. These statistics factor in great players declines which would lower their overall PPG, RPG, APG. However, I do agree that LeBron right now does not compare with guys like Bernard King and Elvin Hayes.</div>those are still good averages, but I see your point.I love LeBron and I think he's eventually going to be in the Hall of Fame, but if the NBA were to end today, he may have gone a little higher than he should've in the draft... But we'll see how it all works out.
It's based on everything that player has done up until now whether their still playing or retired. Has LeBron done amazing things in his four seasons? Yes. Has he put up superb stats? Absolutely. But we have not seen enough of him to put him up as high as you think... Every number I put up was the career averages for that player.... All had close numbers to LeBron, but played 10-15 more seasons and kept those numbers the same. They all led their teams to success, they all dominated in their eras, they all were unique players that people were able to recognize, and most of all they were Hall of Famers. Personally, I think everyone of those players I listed should go ahead of LeBron, but it's your choice to choose him so let's just drop it and move on, because it seems as though we're not seeing eachother's point. CelticFan is on the clock...
