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As long as the Democrats avoid campaigning in states, totally taking for granted Mich, Wisc, Penn and other states, this is true. But if they actually campaign smartly, and oh, I don't know, visit them and talk to them? This won't matter.

As I said earlier, the difference between Trump winning and Hillary winning is as little as 100K votes.
 
julius said:
As long as the Democrats avoid campaigning in states, totally taking for granted Mich, Wisc, Penn and other states, this is true. But if they actually campaign smartly, and oh, I don't know, visit them and talk to them? This won't matter.

As I said earlier, the difference between Trump winning and Hillary winning is as little as 100K votes.
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That depends on what the message is. I’m not certain that Midwest Dems are as gung-ho on climate change proposals that could take even more jobs away from their areas as people on the coasts are. The central part of the country also is more conservative on economic and social issues, except maybe among younger voters.
 
e_blazer said:
That depends on what the message is. I’m not certain that Midwest Dems are as gung-ho on climate change proposals that could take even more jobs away from their areas as people on the coasts are. The central part of the country also is more conservative on economic and social issues, except maybe among younger voters.
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True. but the middle of the country has to understand that many of those jobs are never coming back and "promising" their return is pointless.
 
My biggest fear is that Biden gets the nomination against him...too much Hillary baggage there and Obamacare rebellion ….too much stumbling on Joe's part to draw the crossover vote.
 
I *still* think Trump finds a way to win, only because Democrats arent able or willing to go to such extreme lows. While Republicans have no regard for rule of law or what's right, they will easily be able to continue to fool the millions of uneducated and ignorant voters who won him the last election. The corruption will go unchecked because Democrats don't know how to tackle it. They will keep pouting and crying on Twitter, solving nothing. Instead of uniting and coming up with a plan to address states they need to win, they will just scream from the hilltops on TV and Twitter. Republicans meanwhile will just make shit up, elevate their bought and paid for cronies, and keep gaining power. What Lewandowski did yesterday should land him in jail. The prick didnt answer questions and essentially did a big F you to the country. Trump is the classic High School bully popular kid, with all the chumps running behind him and not wanting to make him mad because he will beat them up. Both sides are weak in two opposite ways - one doesnt know how to fight, the other is trying so hard to stay popular by befriending the bully.
 
riverman said:
My biggest fear is that Biden gets the nomination against him...too much Hillary baggage there and Obamacare rebellion ….too much stumbling on Joe's part to draw the crossover vote.
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He's got something like a 15 point lead over our chump President.
 
riverman said:
You can't fix stupid....Trump won't survive the next election with the same support he got in the first one. He's pissed off enough republicans, farmers and auto workers at this point to tip those scales...
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You left out women who aren't too fond of him;
And Hispanics;
And Black Americans;
And college educated Americans;
And those on Obama Care;
And those hurt by our Trade wars;
And those who are decent Americans;
And professionals;
And ex employees of Trump and of his administration;
And ...
 
julius said:
So basically what you're saying is, lie to and con the voters.
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No, I’m saying find a way to offer some hope of a better future. There must be new manufacturing jobs making environmentally friendly vehicles and other products. Talk about programs to encourage investment in the heartland. Talk about promoting telecommuting jobs where it doesn’t matter where you live. Talk about using the power of the government to hit offshore manufacturing because it’s environmentally damaging to ship stuff halfway around the globe that could be manufactured here. Also point out the environmental damage of offshore manufacturing because other countries don’t have our environmental laws. In other words, talk like Democrats with a vision instead of the angry bunch of crap they’re spewing right now.
 
julius said:
As long as the Democrats avoid campaigning in states, totally taking for granted Mich, Wisc, Penn and other states, this is true. But if they actually campaign smartly, and oh, I don't know, visit them and talk to them? This won't matter.

As I said earlier, the difference between Trump winning and Hillary winning is as little as 100K votes.
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So true but if Dems come with a hard core demo socialist in those States and others it may be tough.
Someone like Klobachar would have a better shot in the mid west than EW. She will campaign more to the middle which is smart.
Its like marketing segments, Good, Better, Best, cars. There are more mid price cars purchased than the upper and lower segment.
The extreme left and right are small segments at this point in time. 2024 may be not?
 
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e_blazer said:
No, I’m saying find a way to offer some hope of a better future. There must be new manufacturing jobs making environmentally friendly vehicles and other products. Talk about programs to encourage investment in the heartland. Talk about promoting telecommuting jobs where it doesn’t matter where you live. Talk about using the power of the government to hit offshore manufacturing because it’s environmentally damaging to ship stuff halfway around the globe that could be manufactured here. Also point out the environmental damage of offshore manufacturing because other countries don’t have our environmental laws. In other words, talk like Democrats with a vision instead of the angry bunch of crap they’re spewing right now.
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It's not offering a hope to people when you either offer a lie or something vitually impossible.

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Where's the Mexican payment for a Wall?
Where's the coal mining jobs?
Where's the increase in manufacturing jobs?
Where are the good paying jobs?
Where's the health care replacement for Obama Care?
Where's the reduction, let alone elimination, of our national debt?
Where's the progress in lowering the annual deficit?
Where's the draining of the swamp?
Where's the honesty in government?
Where's the FBI report on Kavanaugh?
Where's the adherence to the Constitution including the emoluments clause?
Where's the clean air?
Where's the clean water?
Where's the concern about our environment?
Where's the reduction in hate crimes?
Where's the reduction in gun violence?
Where are the legal changes in gun laws that the public wants?
Where is the reduction in bigotry?
What happened to the consumer protection laws?
I could go on and on but there are those out there who would never catch on even though it's staring them in the face, so what's the point?
 
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Lanny said:
It's not offering a hope to people when you either offer a lie or something vitually impossible.
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So, you believe that the middle part of the country should just be written off economically? There is nothing true about the position that jobs can't return to the Midwest. A party with a bit of vision should be able to craft policies that enable that to happen. Manufacturing nearly everything we use halfway around the globe is stupid from an energy, environment, and employment standpoint. Why is it that Democrats can try to social engineer climate change with cap and trade laws, but can't come up with ways to use government policy to bring more jobs home? The answer that seems apparent to a lot of Midwesterners is that the party really doesn't give a crap about them.
 
e_blazer said:
So, you believe that the middle part of the country should just be written off economically? There is nothing true about the position that jobs can't return to the Midwest. A party with a bit of vision should be able to craft policies that enable that to happen. Manufacturing nearly everything we use halfway around the globe is stupid from an energy, environment, and employment standpoint. Why is it that Democrats can try to social engineer climate change with cap and trade laws, but can't come up with ways to use government policy to bring more jobs home? The answer that seems apparent to a lot of Midwesterners is that the party really doesn't give a crap about
them.
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How on Earth did you come up with this wild eyed fantasy that I have written off the middle part of the country economically? You should check with me first before you spout off something that simply isn't true.

Hey, it was Trump that said he was gonna bring back manufacturing jobs. You should really inform yourself with some legitimate news sources.
 
Lanny said:
How on Earth did you come up with this wild eyed fantasy that I have written off the middle part of the country economically? You should check with me first before you spout off something that simply isn't true.

Hey, it was Trump that said he was gonna bring back manufacturing jobs. You should really inform yourself with some legitimate news sources.
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Perhaps you should have actually read what I wrote in the post you responded to instead of assuming that it was intended as a pro-Trump statement. Here's a hint for you: you will never see my write anything pro-Trump. I believe that a good portion of the stuff coming out of the Democratic candidates' mouths is garbage, but that's a different story. Here's another clue: if the Dems want the votes of the Midwesterners that abandoned Hillary, they really ought to start thinking about ways to help that section of the country out. You don't have to believe Trump's bullshit in order to think that coming up with some economic policies that favor Midwest jobs is a pretty good idea.

Man you can be annoying, Lanny.
 
e_blazer said:
Perhaps you should have actually read what I wrote in the post you responded to instead of assuming that it was intended as a pro-Trump statement. Here's a hint for you: you will never see my write anything pro-Trump. I believe that a good portion of the stuff coming out of the Democratic candidates' mouths is garbage, but that's a different story. Here's another clue: if the Dems want the votes of the Midwesterners that abandoned Hillary, they really ought to start thinking about ways to help that section of the country out. You don't have to believe Trump's bullshit in order to think that coming up with some economic policies that favor Midwest jobs is a pretty good idea.

Man you can be annoying, Lenny.
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His name is lanny, not lenny.
 
e_blazer said:
Perhaps you should have actually read what I wrote in the post you responded to instead of assuming that it was intended as a pro-Trump statement. Here's a hint for you: you will never see my write anything pro-Trump. I believe that a good portion of the stuff coming out of the Democratic candidates' mouths is garbage, but that's a different story. Here's another clue: if the Dems want the votes of the Midwesterners that abandoned Hillary, they really ought to start thinking about ways to help that section of the country out. You don't have to believe Trump's bullshit in order to think that coming up with some economic policies that favor Midwest jobs is a pretty good idea.

Man you can be annoying, Lanny.
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Speaking of annoying, young and ignorant kids annoy me.
Who said this "So, you believe that the middle part of the country should just be written off economically?" (I believe I read that correctly) and who was it referring to?
Also, I never even inferred that you intended any kind of pro-Trump statement. All I was doing is saying that it wasn't as much a statement by Democrats as it was one by Trump. Your intention had nothing to do with my statement.
 
I don't think midwestern farmers or auto workers are currently happy...nor is Sears or Amana or Budweiser..in order for manufacturing to pick up in places like Iowa...people need expendable income to support the GNP...most of my family lives back there and not a Trump vote in the lot.
 
Hoopguru said:
So true but if Dems come with a hard core demo socialist in those States and others it may be tough.
Someone like Klobachar would have a beer shot in the mid west than EW. She will campaign more to the middle which is smart.
Its like marketing segments, Good, Better, Best, cars. There are more mid price atom's purchased than the upper and lower segment.
The extreme left and right are small segments at this point in time. 2024 may be not?
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Huh? Beer shots? That might be an interesting campaign.
 
Lanny said:
Speaking of annoying, young and ignorant kids annoy me.
Who said this "So, you believe that the middle part of the country should just be written off economically?" (I believe I read that correctly) and who was it referring to?
Also, I never even inferred that you intended any kind of pro-Trump statement. All I was doing is saying that it wasn't as much a statement by Democrats as it was one by Trump. Your intention had nothing to do with my statement.
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Young? I’ll be 67 in a couple of months. Maybe that’s younger than you, but I have a fair amount of miles on the ol’chassis.

Ignorant? Well we all would have to admit that we all are on some issues if we could lay pride aside. I think my general knowledge of current events is pretty good, but please feel free to share your wisdom with me anytime you want. (Not that you seem to be bashful about doing so anyway.)

I don’t give a rodent’s rump about anything Trump said in the last election. I’m simply pointing out that coming up with a positive economic message for that section of the country couldn’t hurt the Democratic candidate’s chances.
 
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