Re: Colangelo "Calderon rumours are nonsense" <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Bryan Colangelo would like to put a rumour to rest: Jose Calderon isn't going anywhere. Not today. Not tomorrow. Maybe not ever. Despite reports to the contrary -- and this is, after all, the silly season -- Colangelo, the Raptors president and general manager, has no interest in trading Calderon and is not shopping the nifty point guard. But window shopping is happening around the National Basketball Association and a whole lot of teams out there have a whole lot of interest in the engaging Calderon. "All the rumours are false," Colangelo said. "I can tell you that the story that I'm shopping Calderon all over the place (reported in New York) is absolute nonsense. "I can tell you this: I'm getting calls from about half the teams in the league asking about him. Nothing has got even remotely close to making a deal. "We put a very high price on his effectiveness as a player, we put a very high price on his role as a backup to T.J. Ford, we put a very high price on his relationship with (Jorge) Garbajosa and inclusion of other players in our group. Does that mean there's no deal we could consider trading him in? No. Anybody can be traded. But there's nothing remotely close (with Calderon)." Fielding the Calderon calls -- and there have been many -- has been one of the ways in which Colangelo has remained busy as he heads toward the NBA draft tomorrow night without a pick in hand. The contrast from a year ago is startling. "I remember walking into Orlando for the pre-draft camp, right on the heels of being hired, with the first pick and the reputation that I was going to move quick to shuffle the deck," Colangelo said. "I walked in and everyone was looking at me. I felt like the prettiest girl at the dance. It was amazing. "This year, with no pick, it's completely different ... It's unusually quiet but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Usually, you're in the draft or in the game of lining up potential trades. We're not really doing either right now." The Raptors may not have a first pick in the draft but they figure they already have made their selection. Colangelo views Carlos Delfino as a better player than any addition they might have drafted with the 22nd pick. "He's an interesting piece for us," Colangelo said. "He's the same size (as Morris Peterson), a better defender, he'll get to the foul line more, and he's kind of a streaky shooter." Translation: For now, Delfino is in, Peterson, a free agent and possibly Utah-bound, is out. Peterson is not exactly high on the Raptors' free-agent wish list. At the top of the list -- within affordable price ranges -- are players such as Andres Nocioni of Chicago and the legendary Grant Hill. But that might be wishful thinking on Toronto's part. Realistically, Colangelo may be looking with interest at one of Matt Barnes of Golden State, James Posey of Miami, Luke Walton of the Lakers, Mickael Pietrus of Golden State and Sasha Pavlovic of Cleveland. "If we carry out everything we want to do, we're dangerously close to being a luxury tax team," Colangelo said. "No matter what, our salaries are going to be up about $18 million from last year to $65 million. We don't have a lot of flexibility in what we can do until we get Alvin Williams' salary off our books." But it sure is different from a year ago. There will be no early pick, no rookie to debate, no summer league team. Tomorrow night, the Raptors will set up a war room possibly for no reason. "Who knows what will happen?" Colangelo said. "We'll monitor the draft, we'll jump on the phone afterwards and pursue players we liked that got passed over. Who knows? Last year, we had our first conversation about the (Charlie) Villanueva for Ford deal on draft night. You have to be prepared for anything."</div>So it looks like those Josh Childress + 11th pick rumours were nonsense as well. I'm sort of relieved, but to tell you the truth, I wouldn't mind shopping Calderon if it was the right deal for us...He''s probably going to leave soon anyway since he is not destined to be a backup in the NBA...He proved that last season. I would definitely like him back next season, but in the future these trade rumours could be a possiblility
Re: Colangelo "Calderon rumours are nonsense" Im just happy we kept Calderon. We would have to go through developing another PG all over again if we got that 11th pick. I know we are giving up Childress, but Calderon is worth it, especially this season, because hes going to have a regular amount of PT consistently throughout the season. I would also like to see him and TJ on the floor as well, they are a great one two punch.
Re: Colangelo "Calderon rumours are nonsense" Great news. I knew Colangelo wouldn't trade sucha a valuable player. I know he's too good to be a backup, but he can stay with us for a couple more years. There's no need to trade him now. We're contenders, so we shouldn't look for any point gaurds when we have 2 great ones. Anyway, glad that it was all rumours...
Re: Colangelo "Calderon rumours are nonsense" <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Jun 28 2007, 11:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Im just happy we kept Calderon. We would have to go through developing another PG all over again if we got that 11th pick. I know we are giving up Childress, but Calderon is worth it, especially this season, because hes going to have a regular amount of PT consistently throughout the season. I would also like to see him and TJ on the floor as well, they are a great one two punch.</div>Yeah, but with that 11th pick we could also get Al Thornton or Julian Wright...
Re: Colangelo "Calderon rumours are nonsense" I still wouldn't mind get the 11th pick and Childress for Calderon.Like CB4AllStar said we could get a guy like a Julian Wright.
Re: Colangelo "Calderon rumours are nonsense" I wouldnt mind the 11 pick, but then we would need another PG. I wouldnt want Martin playing for us and jsut shooting 3s.
Re: Colangelo "Calderon rumours are nonsense" <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (R2S @ Jun 29 2007, 08:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The one need to be traded is TJ Ford.</div>Wow...why do we need to trade TJ? He's our PG...He's an amazing passer, quickest guy in the league, and his mid range is money...this was only his first season here, and 3rd season overall as well.
Re: Colangelo "Calderon rumours are nonsense" TJ is an amazingly BAD passer, his IQ causes his bad vision; he is quick however he got no idea where to run, therefore you can often see him stuck in 3 defenders; not only he can't shoot, he even does NOT know how to lay up; he definitely can't defense, it was painful to watch Kidd backing down smaller "him".Bottom of the line, nothing can beat low IQ for being a Point Guard.While he still has some stock value for upside (no)potentials, I'd suggest Raptors trade TJ for a good rebounder inside. It was a mistake to pay him 8m for those many years.Jose all the way, he will be next John Stockton. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jun 29 2007, 07:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wow...why do we need to trade TJ? He's our PG...He's an amazing passer, quickest guy in the league, and his mid range is money...this was only his first season here, and 3rd season overall as well.</div>
Re: Colangelo "Calderon rumours are nonsense" <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jun 29 2007, 07:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wow...why do we need to trade TJ? He's our PG...He's an amazing passer, quickest guy in the league, and his mid range is money...this was only his first season here, and 3rd season overall as well.</div>I have a friend that doesn't like tj also. she always complains that hes a ball hogger and never passes the ball. his mid range is money when hes on fire and hes going to take over the game when he needs to. so thers no point in trading tj. hes going to be a star in a few years.
Re: Colangelo "Calderon rumours are nonsense" I love the 1-2 combo of Calderon and TJ. It's just phenomonal. They both play 20 minutes a game, so they're not fatigued. It's brilliant. They shouldn't trade either.HOWEVER.If they wanted to get an upgrade at the small forward position, they should trade TJ. Look at it this way, no one can deny the Raptors played better this year that the Raptors play better as a team when Jose is on the floor. TJ pushes the fast break and makes the team uptempo whereas Calderon pushes the ball up when need be AND distributes the ball in halfcourt brilliantly. TJ has more trade value I believe. I was thinking of a three way deal that looks like this ( I don't know if this trade would work salary wise )Bulls recieve:Kobe BryantTJ FordLakers recieve:Ben GordonKirk HinrichPJ Brown? Help me out who else could go here.Raptors recieve:Luol DengJoakim NoahChris DuhonJust a random idea that came to my head that works pretty well. Lakers get Gordon and Hinrich, their backcourt for the next 8 years. Raptors get much better at SF with Luol Deng, get better rebounding with Joakim Noah, still have a backup PG to Caldreon in Duhon, proved he is a decent player. He also once signed an offer sheet with the Raptors. Bulls get Kobe and TJ Ford to replace Hinrich and Gordon. That would make them championship contenders instantly. I know this is not going to happen, but it's one of those thoughts as a fan that makes the team better but is impossible.LakersG-Kirk HinrichSG-Ben GordonSF-Luke WaltonPF-Lamar OdomC-Andrew BynumBullsG-TJ FordSG-Kobe BryantSF-Andres NocioniPF-Tyrus ThomasC-Ben WallaceRaptorsG-Jose CalderonSG-Anthony ParkerSF-Luol DengPF-Chris BoshC-Andrea BargnaniDon't just read this part of my post, read it all, because I know I'm going to get "It's impossible" and "Are you crazy?". It's a dream is all as a Raptors fan. The Bulls and Lakers get what they want as well.
Re: Colangelo "Calderon rumours are nonsense" I like this idea too. luol deng is a solid SF who we basically need. Joakim Noah is a great hustler and he reminds me of JYD. hes bound to be a fan favourite. but im questionable on chris duhon he seems to be inconsistent to me.
Re: Colangelo "Calderon rumours are nonsense" I agree that TJ is sometimes a ball hog. I personally think Calderon is better then TJ at getting the team involved, bringing energy and all that. When TJ gets upset, he just tries to take control of the game. He takes alot of wild shot sometimes. Sometimes he makes them, sometimes he doesn't. I think TJ and Jose need to stay. Although, Calderon is too good to be a backup. So I'm not sure what we're going to do in the future.
Re: Colangelo "Calderon rumours are nonsense" ortiz34, you are the man, somebody need to get because informed. If the Raptors can get Deng, Noah and Duhon, they will win the East. The idea behind Jose's trade talk is Raptors are not going to extend his contract after next year, Maple Leaf Sports do not want to contribute 13M/yr for PG position, they are stupid, well, they have been stupid for a while, how much Jason Kidd earns each year? Nonethesis, I believe because is seriously about moving Jose, a extremely bad idea.The contract for TJ Ford is a bad one, you can't commit too much to a guy who gets so many defects, actually the only TJ gets is the promise, nothing is real, you can't pay $8m for four years just because of promise. TJ has fundemental problem which he can't solve.
Re: Colangelo "Calderon rumours are nonsense" <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (R2S @ Jun 29 2007, 08:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>TJ is an amazingly BAD passer, his IQ causes his bad vision; he is quick however he got no idea where to run, therefore you can often see him stuck in 3 defenders; not only he can't shoot, he even does NOT know how to lay up; he definitely can't defense, it was painful to watch Kidd backing down smaller "him".Bottom of the line, nothing can beat low IQ for being a Point Guard.While he still has some stock value for upside (no)potentials, I'd suggest Raptors trade TJ for a good rebounder inside. It was a mistake to pay him 8m for those many years.Jose all the way, he will be next John Stockton.</div>An amazingly bad passer? Wow, you obviously don't watch the games much then. He has some of the best court vision in the League. Consider that he was 2nd in the League in AP48 minutes...He's so quick, and he has amazing vision...I know his IQ isn't the greatest, but you can't blast his passing skills. He can shoot man...From mid range, he is usually money. He can't shoot threes, but that's fine because it's just not his game anyway. He is quick as hell, and showed that he can drive...I know what you mean if youre saying that he misses some lay ups, but his quickness is great either way...He'll get his fair share of lay ins.So, he's an adequate scorer, good mid range shooter, and an amazing passer. Remember, this was only his 3rd season so his basketball IQ will get better.Jose the next John Stockton? I don't think so :HAHAHA: :HAHAHA: :HAHAHA:Jose is good, but he is not John Stockton material...First of all, John is the all time leader in steals, and Jose can't play defense...Jose is not at the level of passing of Joshn either...Not even close...The way Stockton did the pick and roll was just amazing...
Re: Colangelo "Calderon rumours are nonsense" I am a big fan of Jose Calderon, I believe he can be next John Stockson if he is in a right team with right teammates around him. At current stage Stockton is much reliable shooter then Jose, but in term of passing ability and running offense, Jose is closing up.John Stockton is John Stockton is because he was playing in Utah, with Malone and Sloan. John Stockton can pick&N&roll with Malone, but he can not do it often with Chris Bosh under new NBA defensive rule. John Stockton can get so many steals is because he is a "great" player, great players can get many steals since they can get the calls.
Re: Colangelo "Calderon rumours are nonsense" <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (R2S @ Jun 29 2007, 09:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I am a big fan of Jose Calderon, I believe he can be next John Stockson if he is in a right team with right teammates around him. At current stage Stockton is much reliable shooter then Jose, but in term of passing ability and running offense, Jose is closing up.John Stockton is John Stockton is because he was playing in Utah, with Malone and Sloan. John Stockton can pick&N&roll with Malone, but he can not do it often with Chris Bosh under new NBA defensive rule. John Stockton can get so many steals is because he is a "great" player, great players can get many steals since they can get the calls.</div>Jose is a good passer, but not nearly as good as John Stockton. Stockton is the 2nd best passer in NBA history. And Jose could never get that many steals, he is not close to the defensive player that Stockton was as well.You are entitled to your opinion, but if Jose becomes the next John Stockton I will get a sex change. I'm not even kidding. That's how sure I am.
