Politics Former Republican Ohio Gov. John Kasich says he's now for impeaching Trump

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    One of the few clear thinking Republicans left. breath of fresh air.
     
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    If that Rino were my only Rep choice, I would switch so I could vote for Tulsi.
     
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    Of course you would. She LOVES her some Russia and Syria.
     
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    Kasich preserves my primary position (right of the unborn), while also being incredibly fiscally responsible and overall sound. He be a very good Prez.
     
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    He'd be awful. Still wondering why you even have a 'primary position', and why it's that one instead of any of the infinite number of other things you could choose to be monomaniacal about.

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    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...washington-make-difference-column/3846622002/

    I ran for president twice then realized we the people can move our country forward: Kasich

    John Kasich, Opinion contributor Published 6:00 a.m. ET Oct. 8, 2019 | Updated 7:53 a.m. ET Oct. 8, 2019

    Americans are not powerless in the grand scheme of our democracy. Individuals pushing for change have had enormous impact over the past 250 years.


    When I ran for president in 2016, I believed I could make a difference and set a positive example, but as I stepped away from the race I started to realize what I must have known on some level all along: Even though it matters who sits in the White House, it doesn’t matter as much as we matter. The power of the presidency should not obscure or discount the power of the people.

    Each of us has the ability to make as much of an impact in our communities as the president is able to make on a national or international scale. As a nation of caring, thinking, feeling people, we are not powerless in the grand scheme of our democracy; in fact, we can be profoundly powerful, in small ways that can have an enormous impact on the lives all around us.

    All of which takes me to the central thesis of my new book: What you do matters. What we do matters. We are blessed with the ability to make a difference, to send a message to the powerful elites in Washington, to put it out there that the change we want to see is the change we’re prepared to make happen.

    Presidents don't shape your daily life
    Think about some of the great changes that have taken place in this country over the past 250 years. Think about some of the ways we’ve moved the needle on progress and tolerance and opportunity. Most of the time, these changes have come about at the ground level. Societal change flows from the bottom up, and not from the top down, and it’s almost always driven by the passion and purpose of selfless individuals who push for a way to make these changes happen — they demand them, really, and it doesn’t matter who’s sitting in office when the voices of the people have something to say.

    Think about this, too: On a day-to-day basis, does the president truly affect you? Here again, not as much as most people think. Absolutely, the president can make a kind of statement about who we are on the world stage; for good or ill, he or she becomes the public face of our great nation. But I’ll tell you what really affects you: your family, your neighbors, your community, the road that needs repaving on the way into town, or the new turf field the booster club is hoping to lay in over at the high school so your student-athletes can practice in all kinds of weather.

    What matters is how we do right by each other, how we collaborate with our coworkers, how we show kindness to those in need and how we receive kindness in return. It matters how we make room in our lives for faith and family and friendships. I want to spend some time on these things in the pages ahead because I believe they are important. In fact, I believe they are all-important.

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    Even if Trump doesn't get fully impeached/displaced, he's dropped about 8 rungs on the proverbial ladder. This may very well be the chance for Kasich to take the reins again. I really hope he does. While being Conservative, I think he can also speak to the Moderates and Independents.

    This is going to be very, very interesting rest of the year heading into 2020.
     
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    I wish. I don’t see Republicans having the courage or backbone to denounce Trump. Much like some people in here. If he hasn’t lost his base by now he isn’t going to lose it.
     
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    Abortion is a personal choice imo, and it's ok to have your choice one way or another. It's the same with anyone values and beliefs, its theirs. Now if their mission statement is to hatefully go after those that have different views on things, imo that's taboo. Whatever happened to the concept of being open minded and respectful if you oppose something?
    If parents in a blue state teach their kids to kick somebody ass if they are for the second amendment and if parents in red states teach their kids to kick ass if someone is pro choice, we may as well establish two separate countries, have an outright civil war, moved to a State that parallels your politic, or learn to give and take, be civil and respectful again, and most importantly work together again.
     
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    I think you advocate vote with your feet as a reasonable choice.
    I also think that is why we have the electoral college. Election for President is a State by State thing, as intended, as it should be.
    Otherwise civil war might be the only alternative.
    Damn! Those old dudes got this right strait out the gate. Impressive!
     
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    Absolutely.

    ABM is on the record as saying that he's a single issue voter on abortion. I was questioning what motivates someone to be a single-issue voter, and why the choice of that particular topic as the single issue. His opinion on abortion aside from that is of little interest to me.

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    As an example, I suppose there are those out there with feelings on, say, immigration that far outweigh any other issue and will only vote for the candidate(s) that supports them in that single-issue position. Right to life is one those types of issues for me. There's not one Democrat that agrees with me in that position. There are many Republicans that do.

    This all said, I've related many times in here that I would have preferred Kasich over Trump. I've also said, if Kasich were to give Trump a strong challenge in 2020, he'd have my vote then, as well. The probability of that happening, though, would only be through the impeachment/removal of Trump.
     
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    This seems like such a silly question... What motivates someone to be “this or that”, life experiences, genetics, the same subjective stuff that makes you care about multiple issues, or makes you determine what issues are more or less important to you...

    Theres at least a half dozen people in here who have been turned into single issue voters, “Its not Trump”, you aren’t trying to psychoanalyze them and cleverly hide behind condescending questions as to their motivations, because you agree with their feelings on Trump. If ABM said, “All I care about is getting rid of Trump”, you wouldnt ask why, and say wow what motivates you to be a single issue voter! You’d say oh I hate Trump too so Im good with that. You have to know his “motivations” or anyone’s motivations for that stuff boils down to the same stuff.
     
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    I have never understood single issue voters as there is so much that goes into running a country that one issue shouldn't be a deciding factor. I can see if someone felt that two people were fairly equal and the single issue might push them one way over the other but to disregard everything else just for one issue doesn't make much sense to me. The president has limited ability to even address the single issue that a voter might even be for and then you have to take on the total baggage that person brings.
     
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    But when it comes to it you will vote for the Dem in this next election (assuming Trumps not impeached) whether you like them or not because its not Trump right? I mean at the end of the day what motivates us to vote a certain way is basically the same things. We vote on our feelings, and our genetics and our experiences, if someone feels that strongly about a “single” issue, its because of a combination of one of those things. So to me, I dont see how its all that confusing, Im the same way while I may not feel that strongly about a single issue, my motivations are the same as everyone else’s and thats what were questioning here is what motivates ABM on his abortion stance, when seriously I dont think the motivation and what it boils down to is all that different then anyone else’s, we just all have different genetics, feelings, experiences, so we have different “issues” that are a big deal to us.
     

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