Re: CB32's 2007 NBA Draft Grades http://www.bballworld.us/Draft/NBA-Draft-Grades.php Comments/feedback appreciated.
Re: CB32's 2007 NBA Draft Grades so boston and charlotte do the exact same thing, trade a top 10 pick for a SG coming off injury issues.difference is, Charlotte trades the #8 for a 26 yr old SG Boston trades the #5, a good combo guard and salary filler for a 32 yr old SG with surgery on both ankles.Boston gets a B, Charlotte a DBoston coulda had B Wright and his upside potential too...good job on the write up though.musta taken some time.. gonna be a sports writer or somethin' ?
Re: CB32's 2007 NBA Draft Grades Good stuff CB32 on getting these done, I read about 10 or so of them, I like very much.
Re: CB32's 2007 NBA Draft Grades Nice job on the grades. It is a really good article. The only thing I disagreed with is you giving Utah a C+. I thought they should have gotten a B or B- instead.
Re: CB32's 2007 NBA Draft Grades Great job CB32. I agree with Memphis. They picked who they needed to pick and are now set up great for the future it seems.
Re: CB32's 2007 NBA Draft Grades <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticFan @ Jun 29 2007, 09:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>so boston and charlotte do the exact same thing, trade a top 10 pick for a SG coming off injury issues. difference is, Charlotte trades the #8 for a 26 yr old SG Boston trades the #5, a good combo guard and salary filler for a 32 yr old SG with surgery on both ankles. Boston gets a B, Charlotte a D Boston coulda had B Wright and his upside potential too...</div> There's a difference though. Charlotte F*cked with their entire cap space. They took on J-Rich's contract (over $50M for the next 4 years) when they already had a ton of cap space, and ALSO gave Golden State a $10 million trade exception. That's ridiculous financially, especially considering Charlotte is in no position to actually win now, and they could have gotten a player at 8 who could very well be a higher caliber player than Richardson in the first place. It's different for us because we didn't F*ck with our cap situation, we actually got rid of Wally and got a bonafide All-Star who still has a few good years left in him and compliments Pierce. We can put together another deal and a small free agent signing and make a lot of noise right now. It made sense for us to deal for an All-Star, we got one and we got a good deal for one. We upgraded our team big time, and we still have a lot of young talent and Theo Ratliff's expiring deal. Charlotte threw away all their cap flexibility for a deal that really doesn't make much sense for them in the first place, in my opinion.
Re: CB32's 2007 NBA Draft Grades You give a B- to the Wizards yet all you say are positive things about their draft.. I don't understand.
Re: CB32's 2007 NBA Draft Grades I don't care what you say - I've heard all sides to it.I still disagree and thought the Celts got raped in that deal. I really do. You could've gotten a great prospect at number 5...and you go and get Ray Allen, coming off surgery and is going to be 32...come on now. Ainge obviously felt the pressure from Pierce to win now. And I also think Delonte West was a pretty good player, Wally Sczerbiak I wasn't too high on, esp. with that contract, but don't trade a lottery pick and a two decent players for Ray Allen at age 32. 5-6 years ago Ray Allen I would've said "Hell, Yeah!" but not now. Sorry.
Re: CB32's 2007 NBA Draft Grades disagree with the pistons, 100%. Your taking Afflalo on name value, and STuckey is just a nice player. I don't think you looked at the team's needs before the draft and how they addressed them in the draft.
Re: CB32's 2007 NBA Draft Grades <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zards @ Jun 30 2007, 12:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You give a B- to the Wizards yet all you say are positive things about their draft.. I don't understand.</div> To be honest with you, when I originally wrote it in Microsoft Word, it's a solid B with no -. I just fixed it on the site.
Re: CB32's 2007 NBA Draft Grades <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Jun 29 2007, 11:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>There's a difference though. Charlotte F*cked with their entire cap space. They took on J-Rich's contract (over $50M for the next 4 years) when they already had a ton of cap space, and ALSO gave Golden State a $10 million trade exception. That's ridiculous financially, especially considering Charlotte is in no position to actually win now, and they could have gotten a player at 8 who could very well be a higher caliber player than Richardson in the first place.It's different for us because we didn't F*ck with our cap situation, we actually got rid of Wally and got a bonafide All-Star who still has a few good years left in him and compliments Pierce. We can put together another deal and a small free agent signing and make a lot of noise right now. It made sense for us to deal for an All-Star, we got one and we got a good deal for one.We upgraded our team big time, and we still have a lot of young talent and Theo Ratliff's expiring deal. Charlotte threw away all their cap flexibility for a deal that really doesn't make much sense for them in the first place, in my opinion.</div>they still have some cap space and MJ was doing the same thing Ainge did, which was to try and win now. He said he was going to do that and he made a trade. Who were they gonna sign with that cap space? The FA market is not that good this year.at least Richardson can give them 4 very good years if he's healthy.About the only difference is Boston has a veteran all-star already and Charlotte has none.having youth and just youth does NOT win in this league. You need vets to lead.. they don't have to be the best player on the team but they have to be good.adding more youth to the bobcats made little sense too.regradless, there shouldn't be such a huge dispartity in grades IMO.
Re: CB32's 2007 NBA Draft Grades I understand why you did this, but I don't understand why you chose to grade in this particular manner. You gave the Mavs a C- when they picked up two pretty good picks considering how low the picks were, and gave the Raptors an F for trading away a meaningless pick and not having any others. I think B or B- for the Mavs and N/A for the Raptors would have made more sense. Having a little consideration for what is available at a certain point makes the ratings kinda weird. But you know, whatever.
Re: CB32's 2007 NBA Draft Grades For Orlando, while I would have liked to keep Rayshawn Terry also, I really don't see it as that bad of an idea trading him for pretty much cash. They might not have gotten any real players in this draft, but they got money off of two of their picks, the one that went to the Rockets, and that one with the Mavericks. That will help to have just a bit more cushion so we can sign back Milicic, and get Lewis or Billups via free agency. Then you consider that the Magic used their first round pick to help get Arroyo, and Milicic, and their first pick in the second round to get Stan Van Gundy as coach, and I thought this draft did us well. I really didn't see it as an F, I would like to see that pushed up to atleast a D-. I am in complete agreement with Celticfan though, I don't see the whole reason for having such a huge difference in grades between the Bobcats and Celtics. The Bobcats had alot of cap room, bringing in one bad contract is not going to completly screw them over. They still have money to make sure they get to keep Felton, Okafor, and re-sign Wallace if they need him this offseason. They really didn't screw up their cap room as much with bringning in Richardson. It got them someone to help out Felton and make him better, as well as keep a shooter in the game at all times with Carroll being his backup. While Brandan Wright has a huge upside, he also has a huge amount of room to be a bust in this draft. He could have easily came in and not acheived his potential. So I really don't see what's so bad in trading Wright. Like Celticfan also said, sooner or later you have to bring in someone that is going to help you win. Teams are not going to win or do anything in the playoffs if all you keep doing is drafting young players, and never put a veteran out there with them. Sooner or later you will need someone to go along side those young guys.
Re: CB32's 2007 NBA Draft Grades I agree with what you gave the Hornets; they didn't fill their need for a perimeter player and failed to trade up and take Derrick Byars before the Blazers did. The Wright pick was pretty good because of his athleticism, but taking Haluska was not good at all. His jumpshot is fine, but he's not the best defender in the world and he won't be at the next level because his feet are too slow, and we know what Byron Scott thinks about defense. He'll probably fall off the team like Macijauskas.
Re: CB32's 2007 NBA Draft Grades CelticFan, there is a difference between what Jordan did and what Danny did. We actually have some pieces in order to win now, Charlotte is young and young only. Adding Jason Richardson is nice, he is a good player, but to me it didn't make sense to dump all that money for a player like him. He's a good player, but Charlotte isn't really in position to make much noise anyway, if you ask me. With us on the other hand, we have Paul Pierce and Al Jefferson and we just added an All-Star alongside them. We can win some games now, and we aren't a finished product this summer either. We HAD TO get older, Charlotte didn't at this point in time. valo, I definitely agree that you need to add some veterans at some point, but why take on J-Rich's contract and give them a $10 million trade exception for one right now? And why waive Brevin Knight the day after?
Re: CB32's 2007 NBA Draft Grades <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Jun 30 2007, 02:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>CelticFan, there is a difference between what Jordan did and what Danny did. We actually have some pieces in order to win now, Charlotte is young and young only. Adding Jason Richardson is nice, he is a good player, but to me it didn't make sense to dump all that money for a player like him. He's a good player, but Charlotte isn't really in position to make much noise anyway, if you ask me. With us on the other hand, we have Paul Pierce and Al Jefferson and we just added an All-Star alongside them. We can win some games now, and we aren't a finished product this summer either. We HAD TO get older, Charlotte didn't at this point in time.valo, I definitely agree that you need to add some veterans at some point, but why take on J-Rich's contract and give them a $10 million trade exception for one right now? And why waive Brevin Knight the day after?</div>I think Knight was holding back Felton, and with the two of them there it would have continued to stunt Feltons growth. They have a much better chance of winning with Felton at point and playing his best. As for taking on his contract, they had the cap room to do it, and still be able to get other players. If you have the cap room, I see no reason not to pull the trigger on the deal. As for the bolded part, I think that Charlotte needed to get a little bit older to. Sometimes the young players never mature because of always being in a loosing atmosphere, so Jordan pulled the trigger on getting this team to start winning now with Richardson out there. They have a go to scorer, that can shoot from long range well, while also being able to attack the rim off the dribble, and run with Felton. Richardson is also still young, and even though he was injured this year, should be entering his prime right around now. The Bobcats are still set up for the future, with having Okafor and Felton there, while being able to start winning now and put those young players back into the winning atmosphere. I think it will work out for the Bobcats.
Re: CB32's 2007 NBA Draft Grades <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (valo35 @ Jun 30 2007, 04:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think Knight was holding back Felton, and with the two of them there it would have continued to stunt Feltons growth. They have a much better chance of winning with Felton at point and playing his best. As for taking on his contract, they had the cap room to do it, and still be able to get other players. If you have the cap room, I see no reason not to pull the trigger on the deal. As for the bolded part, I think that Charlotte needed to get a little bit older to. Sometimes the young players never mature because of always being in a loosing atmosphere, so Jordan pulled the trigger on getting this team to start winning now with Richardson out there. They have a go to scorer, that can shoot from long range well, while also being able to attack the rim off the dribble, and run with Felton. Richardson is also still young, and even though he was injured this year, should be entering his prime right around now. The Bobcats are still set up for the future, with having Okafor and Felton there, while being able to start winning now and put those young players back into the winning atmosphere. I think it will work out for the Bobcats.</div> I like Jason Richardson, he is a very good basketball player and he does fit in Charlotte's system, but financially I don't think this makes any sense, especially with the trade exception being thrown in there. Wright also would have given them a nice finesse scorer in the post, with star potential, next to Okafor. I don't know, I just don't like this deal for Charlotte. I love it for Golden State, they have a financial orgasm and they got a big man with star potential, who also fits beautifully in their system.
Re: CB32's 2007 NBA Draft Grades What a minute:<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Chicago did a pretty good job. Spencer Hawes may have filled a true need (low post scoring) more than Noah, but Noah is certainly an NBA-ready player that is going to fit in Chicago?s defensive oriented system beautifully. He gets to go to a winning organization right away, and that?s all Joakim Noah wants, to win. Aaron Gray was a solid pick at 49, that?s pretty good value. JamesOn Curry has a lot of potential, but only time will tell if he?ll make it in the NBA.</div>Didnt the Kings pick Spencer Hawes?
Re: CB32's 2007 NBA Draft Grades <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Jun 30 2007, 06:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What a minuteidnt the Kings pick Spencer Hawes?</div>Read the whole thing a couple of times.
