I finally recognized Sly Shiff, I thought I had seen the style before. You're out of order, you don't have authority to post anymore. The lady to day was an interesting witness. Did you say anything to the Ukrainians bad mouthing Trump in the last campaign? No. Did you think Hunter Bidden working for the corrupt gas company was maybe not right? No. You were trying to eliminate corruption in the Urkrain, encouraging them to do so, right? Yes. Bidden working for one of the most corrupt companies in the Urkrain is not a problem? I hardly knew he was there. Did the State Department coach you how to answer about inquiry of Bidden? Yes. Did they tell you to refer the questions to the office of the VP? Yes. Ha! Priceless, no fucking wonder she was booted. Nice lady but clueless.
Well, elections usually are mostly partisan. I have only ever voted for the winning Democrat twice out of 15 time. Nothing to explain there, I am pleased with the result. But, Impeachment is not supposes to be that way. As very well explained in Federalist #65. In fact it has played out to be at less somewhat bipartisan in all attempts in the past. This time is the very obvious exception.
So it's acceptable for elections to be partisan but it is not acceptable for impeachments to be partisan?
I was totally against the Rep impeaching Clinton. I had voted for Clinton in his first election, not his second. But never the less, I felt we needed a President un-bothered by this bullshit with all the terrorist attacks and all. And yes, wrong when you read Federalist paper #65. However, it was not quite a wrong as this time, where 5 Democrats in the house voted with the Reps to impeach Clinton. The last vote in the house this time has it even worse than partisan, as two Democrats voted with the Rep not to proceed. "But I guess that makes it okay for you as long as your side is the one shitting on this country. And here you said you weren’t a cannabis user" I don't know what to say about this comment, it seems like you sort of lost it.
Well fucking A! That does mean we do accept the results of elections and do not just fall back on impeachment a handy plan B. That sure as hell was the intent. But the last election was not as partisan as this impeachment. Many democrats voted for Trump as a better alternative to Clinton. That is why he won. It might be the only way most Republicans ever win.
Nixon and Clinton said hello. The Constitutional provision for impeachment is there for a reason...and your boy will soon discover why.
Nixon! I never voted for that guy, never liked the guy. He did indeed deserve to be impeached. He cheated us of that win by quitting.
Your obsession with the Federalist Papers is silly. They are not law, and are in fact opinions written in essay form mostly by Hamilton, whose federalist party lost out almost immediately to the anti-federalists. I'm personally not impressed with Hamilton's interpretations of the constitution. He in fact argued against the Bill of Rights being necessary in Fed Paper #84. Same guy also died in a duel. Dumbass.
Thank you for your opinion. I look to all sources available to give meat to the intent of the Constitution. The papers are good, British common law and Natural law are also good. I tend to agree with you about Hamilton, as he would not be listed among my list of the heaviest hitters in the founding. However, his word admonishing restraint on impeachment seen very damn sound, especially when you find you are in disagreement with the electorate totally on a partisan basis. It has to be a logic lesson to find yourself in that position.
Yes, Dumbass identified. I just reread #84 again, and yes, it is Hamilton as Hamilton, jacking on as if he were about to get there. But! Just think, how much your S2 companions would appreciate if he had prevailed. No 2nd amendment! And for that fail, I thank Mr. Madison.
Trump is not being impeached for winning the election...he's being impeached for blackmailing a foreign leader with a pay for play scam and trying to influence ongoing investigations whether you like the investigations or not...they have evidence of impeachable conduct and they haven't even gotten to the perjury parts. Obstruction of justice and witness tampering are not matters of the electoral college. Influencing domestic politics with foreign aid money is illegal for a president to do period....You know this or you're just choosing to ignore it at this point. Case is closed if justice is served...Trump would do well to resign with a plea deal and resume his private life. The only answer for what you seem to want for Trump would be for him to grab total power and eliminate the state representatives which is what it looks like he's trying to do...ruin the republic with his paranoid obstinance. Telling your staff to refuse to follow the law and respect the rule of government checks and balances is not patriotic..it's a power grab. Presidents are elected to serve the country not their own self interests.
The dumbass comment was purely about his lack of judgment in entering a duel in the first place. He was obviously intelligent. I just disagree with a majority of his opinions. He also argued passionately for the Potus to be a lifelong elected Monarch. Luckily, the more liberal minded founders won out. *liberal meant in the literal sense of the word and not with the connotations it now has.
Easy, my friend. I don't want to hear, you blew a tube that carries the vitals. We shall see. Don't let it disturb you, but my view is quite different.
If I was a president with nothing to hide, Id welcome the investigations, Id be transparent as heck and if they continued to come at me Id trust the American people would see the opposition for what they are. Now yes, Id defend myself, Id hire people more in tune with the law than I am, But personally Id like my opposition paint me whatever colors they would like and just be honest, straight forward and let the people decide. If they impeached me for purely partisan reasons, eventually the people will speak and none of them will hold their office. Or if the people approve than I wasnt a good leader in the first place and they, the people should get a leader that unites them.
Yes I come down on the same side as you. His arguments with Jefferson come to mind. I sort of look at Jefferson as the mind behind the founding and it was carried out by Madison writing the Constitutions and supporting the Bill of rights including putting forth the 2nd. It seem those two got it done in spite of players such as Hamilton and Adams. But then while saying this, it would not be as good without them and the others. Thus the #65 has merit.
If you’re ever in Portland Id love to hang out, I enjoy your posts even when we disagree, you come off as respectful, and like you’d be enjoyable to be around.
We get to choose between the leaders we have at the time. That is the choice we get. We have to accept the winner as the leader until another becomes available. Impeachment is rather a heavy hammer to alter this natural process. It may please a few, but it is illogical to expect it to be good.
But going through an election 3 years ago does not make someone immune from being questioned, or their actions from being investigated. My wife married me 7 years ago if I cheat on her tonight does that mean she cant divorce me for my actions now? A president is similar in this, he went through the process like it or not he won. He is our president, but he is still held to a standard he still has an oath to act in the best interest of the country and to uphold the laws. His accusers I will admit have been trying every angle they could to get rid of him his entire presidency, but it is part of the checks and balances of this country to investigate and corral the branches of our government.
