What do you guys think of the Ray Allen trade now (the people against it) when you think that Allen can be a way better mentor and guide for Gerald than Pierce is?Allen knows how to move without the ball, find his shot and know when to take it. He can help with Gerald with those things. Gerald's game is his shot and with the best 3-point shooter in the game today coming in that should definitely help him. Ray also sees himself as a guy that helps the young guys as well.Do you think having Ray here will help Gerald break out even faster than he already has? There's tons of things he can teach Gerald that Paul can't.
I agree and disagree. I agree that having Ray around helps Gerald out more than Paul because of the reason you stated - Ray knows how to move beautifully without the ball, he's great off the pick n' roll, and he doesn't need to take people 1-on-1 to be effective. Gerald is a 1-on-1 player right now, he doesn't know how to score within the flow of the offense, which Ray is great with. Pierce is much more of a 1-on-1 player, and he can obviously help Gerald in some areas, but we're trying to make him effective without the ball too. But I disagree that Gerald could break out sooner because of Ray Allen. Why? Because Ray Allen is going to play 35-40 minutes per game, as is Pierce, then you have to factor in Tony Allen.
Yeah, what you guys brought up was just about right.All im saying here is that Allen is defently going to serve as a mentor to the younger players on the celtics roster, he's always looking to help and he's good at it to, if you go on youtube and search Ray Allen you can see him talking about NBA Life, doing drills, etc and the guy has been in a movies so he defently knows how to work with people and him now being a Celtic is huge cause he can and could just bring so much to the franchise without even playing. Im sure he can teach GG a few tricks in the book about shooting the ball well.
absolutely he'll help the young guys along.but he's still gonna want the rock in his hands a lot too.it's a 50/50 scenario.he'll help them in practice etc and when they're both on the floor too.thing is as CB said, he'll be on the floor 35+ mins a game, taking PT away from the young guys..
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticFan @ Jul 1 2007, 12:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>thing is as CB said, he'll be on the floor 35+ mins a game, taking PT away from the young guys..</div> But don't make him sound like Wally, where everybody is pissed that he played 35 minutes while Green played 10. Having Ray Allen on the floor is a good thing for the team, not a bad thing. He's a perennial All-Star and I would say he is certainly the best shooter in the NBA. It's not "ugh, Ray Allen has to take time away from the young guys."
yes it is a good thing to have Ray Allen on the floor, but it also is a detriment to the development of the young guys.Allen is better than Tony or Gerald so he should be on the floor.this is a comment more in regard to him speeding along gerald's development.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticFan @ Jul 1 2007, 01:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>yes it is a good thing to have Ray Allen on the floor, but it also is a detriment to the development of the young guys. Allen is better than Tony or Gerald so he should be on the floor. this is a comment more in regard to him speeding along gerald's development.</div> Here's the thing. Even if Gerald was able to play 35 minutes a game, he will never be what Ray Allen is, so why does it matter? He's not ready, but now he will in fact still have a bigger roll as the primary offensive option in the 2nd unit. Don't be fooled by his minutes last year, had we been relatively healthy, we barely would have seen him. He was thrown out there for 20 minutes a game because Doc was forced to, not because he was ready for it. This actually takes pressure off him and allows him to develop at a slower pace, which he needs. Then, in 3 years when Ray Allen's contract expires, he should be ready to step in.
that or he'll be bitter like McGrady was in Toronto for being on the bench so much early in his career and leave.don't underestimate the ego of youth.wether he's actually ready or not, he feels and could and should play more.and if he's saying otherwise, he's being media savy
Yeah is Green even allowed to have a beer? He's not gonna be bitter, he knows he isn't ready to carry the scoring load for the team and he knows he's not ready yet. Give him another year or 2 of experience under vets like Allen and Pierce, then we'll talk about Green getting 35-40 minutes a game. So you'de rather replace winning now with continuing to develop young kids? Laughable
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Jul 1 2007, 01:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah is Green even allowed to have a beer?</div> Yeah, he's 21.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Jul 1 2007, 01:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah is Green even allowed to have a beer? He's not gonna be bitter, he knows he isn't ready to carry the scoring load for the team and he knows he's not ready yet. Give him another year or 2 of experience under vets like Allen and Pierce, then we'll talk about Green getting 35-40 minutes a game. So you'de rather replace winning now with continuing to develop young kids? Laughable</div>where oh where did I say that?you're the one who asked if Ray will help with the development. All I said it was a 50/50 proposition.I'm about 30% sold Gerald will even be a solid NBA starter, let alone an all-star talent.again CB, I was never implying Green should get huge mins, but rather that his mins will be diminished more due to Ray Allen being on the team.Gerald's weakness is court sense/feel for the game. How do you improve? getting some PT and learning from mistakes.if he's back to 10 mins a game, that will slow his progess down. He will be down in mins because the C's are making a play for winning now and Gerald is indeed not ready (not that I ever implied that he was)dude's court sense is bad. He has little feel for the game to go with his enticing athletic skills.the next 2 years are big years for Green, if he's gonna be big time, it should start to show in the next year or two.If he's gonna be deshawn stevenson (mediocre) then yeah, it could take longer.
I don't see how Ray Allen will affect Green's minutes. Green will probably get more minutes this year. West and Wally are gone, both left some big minutes to fill.
wally?the same wally who played 32 games this year?the one who played 900 mins, 10th on the team in mins played wally?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticFan @ Jul 1 2007, 07:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>again CB, I was never implying Green should get huge mins, but rather that his mins will be diminished more due to Ray Allen being on the team. Gerald's weakness is court sense/feel for the game. How do you improve? getting some PT and learning from mistakes. if he's back to 10 mins a game, that will slow his progess down. He will be down in mins because the C's are making a play for winning now and Gerald is indeed not ready (not that I ever implied that he was) dude's court sense is bad. He has little feel for the game to go with his enticing athletic skills. the next 2 years are big years for Green, if he's gonna be big time, it should start to show in the next year or two. If he's gonna be deshawn stevenson (mediocre) then yeah, it could take longer.</div> Which is why it would probably be smart to shop him with Theo's contract to see if we could get good value. But, if not, I'm not opposed to having Gerald in 3 years when Ray Allen's contract expires. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DRob-50-Forever @ Jul 1 2007, 08:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't see how Ray Allen will affect Green's minutes. Green will probably get more minutes this year. West and Wally are gone, both left some big minutes to fill.</div> I disagree completely. The only reason Gerald played 20 minutes per game last year was because the three guys ahead of him in the rotation (Pierce, Wally, TA) were all hurt for significant amounts of time. Assuming Ray Allen is healthy, there is no way Gerald gets 20+ minutes a night, especially when you factor in TA's return.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Jul 1 2007, 10:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Which is why it would probably be smart to shop him with Theo's contract to see if we could get good value. But, if not, I'm not opposed to having Gerald in 3 years when Ray Allen's contract expires.</div>absolutely that sounds smart.I'm rooting for Gerald to put it together. Reminds me of T-Mac and his first few years. He got some criticism too but he started to improve quickly after those first 2 years.
