Politics Who is the best Republican president between Donald Trump and Abraham Lincoln?

Marz, you're only speculating again. And when did you become so well versed on the Civil War and Lincoln that you somehow have more knowledge on the subject than people who have made their living from being experts on the subject as legit historians? And you claim that they are devoid of knowledge that you somehow possess? You assert that they "do not know the shit that Lincoln did" but you somehow do?...seriously?...C'mon man.

Again, you're putting your limited knowledge of Lincoln above those who are experts. So if you weren't fed the "Carl Sandburg version", where did you get your info? I would guess that it is from books/articles that are written by the very same people who have been educated on a higher level than the rest of us here and who are also very likely the very same people who rate Lincoln as the best POTUS.

 

This reminds me of debating my 2nd grader

 

If we had not gone to war with the South, there would be no Slaves in what remained of the US. Thus the US would have no need for the 14th, as it already accepted free men born here as citizens.
The South would need to do what ever, but that would be of no consequence when we reunified. As I suspect we would have done, perhaps 75 years ago.

New states such as Oregon might have had some problems, as it still had laws that reflected the not so distant days of being a British Territory. But that had to work out in any case.
Oregon sort of went from being British to a US state in less than 10 years with black people excluded, even though a few were here and the 14th did not help them, as State law was the problem.

 

Are your referring to Marz or me?...

 

More likely,Trump would have said, "Hell, I am king".

 

Yep! I did study the issue in detail many years ago. Long story there, and I will spare you all.
But it still stands today as true what I point out to all of you and any "expert" that cares to give a shit.
1. There is nothing in the Constitution to give a President the authority to go to war to prevent a State from seceding
2.In choosing the path of war to prevent the South from seceding, it resulted in the death of more Americans as a result of that war than any other war in US history.
3.The rest of Western Civilization managed it's way to free the Slaves without killing a huge number of their population.

It is my opinion, with these huge negatives on Lincoln, without going into his massive transgressions against the Constitution, render him the worst President in US history based upon his own actions, and the results.

It is my view.

 

That's it...I'm out.

 

They did in the Caribbean.
They did in the British Islands.
They did in the French Islands.
They did in Brazil.
They did everywhere in the Western Hemisphere.

Think about it! Would you want to own slaves? WTF man! That is illogical, and economically stupid.

 

"Everything you know is wrong!"
Firesign Theater

 

I do not believe that.

Name one person in America who personally wants to own slaves..

 

I am not sure why you wish to speculate on the motivations of people in the South as if that is different. I imagine there are fools in the North that would fancy a Slave if they had a Genie in the bottle.
There are those most everywhere, and some more with other dumb-ass fancies.

 

Well, except for that day when they murdered him.

But other than that...

 

Using the word MOST is a grammattic attempt to deceive by implying a wide disparity when in this case it is infinitesimal.

The author deliberately bypassed more accurate words/phrases to convey a false narrative.

Example:

If there is a Senate trial to impeach, a 2/3 (67%) majority vote is required to impeach.

53% ain't even close.

 

This is entertainment, baby.

I can go on for days and laugh my ass off as long as I have a plentiful supply of popcorn.

 

All of today's slaves in America live in Sanctuary cities, working for criminally inadequate wages in unsafe conditions at the pleasure of their Democratic Party OWNERS.