Politics Happy Impeachment Eve!

Good points, and I think the answer to your question is yes.

Another mind game that I've played with myself is a what-if regarding the whole abuse of power charge. Let's assume Hillary had won the election and that Trump was in the midst of another campaign to unseat her in 2020. Let's also assume that one of Trump's offspring was on the board that Hunter Biden was. Say Trump is building a hotel in Ukraine and Hillary is suspicious that some shady crap has gone on that would violate US laws. Let's say she's holding up aid to Ukraine based on allegations of corruption, as Obama did. If she asks the Ukrainian president for the favor of an investigation of Trump, do you think any Democrats would be concerned about abuse of power?

 

Ok Boomer.

 

When I look at the big picture. Our system is royally screwed up.

 

Edit: And the flip side of that, do you think that if they learned of Hillary's call, there would be a few Republicans calling for her impeachment based upon, you guessed it, abuse of power?

 

It seems sometimes that the whole country has a chronic case of Tourette's and there seems to be a whole lot of anger and hate and venom. But I see it as a watershed moment and our best hope is to replace Trump at he ballot box next year because I see him as partly complicit as to why things are as they are in this country.

 

Yes, because after all, Trump is not corrupt.

 

I think there are two courses, we get a "peacemaker" in office, or we get a civil war in the near future. The problem is I don't believe the DNC or GOP have any desire whatsoever to offer "Peacemakers" they want power and thrive off of the dissent.

 

She's many things but I don't think Hillary is stupid enough to make that inane call in the first place .

 

Yup, this also parallels and supports both of our stances on the two party system and term limits.

 

Oh, I agree. Hillary would have been much more circumspect about it, but you know she’d have done something to get the dirt. Does the fact that she’s more experienced and adept at hiding her “abuse” make it better or worse? Trump, to this day, thinks his call was perfect.

 

Yeah, I get your point on the hypocrisy of the 2 parties. But Trump brings most of his woes on himself because he runs his mouth to much, publicly and on twitter. And though I can't stand Hillary, she's much more reserved/tight lipped.

 

Agreed on both accounts.

 

Irony is a cruel and cold hearted bitch, eh ?

 

Attempting to insult someone by noting that he or she is far more experienced and educated than you has to be the weakest troll ever created.

And Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself.

 

Biden is the only one who "made that call".

Everything from the Dems since the election has simply been a coverup of it.

 

e_blazer, House did call some Republican witnesses. They did not call Hunter Biden because this was not an investigation into Burisma, which has already been investigated. He would have no information on the actual inquiry, neither would Joe Biden. They did not call whistle blower due to federal protection law, and because everything he/she claimed was supported by other witnesses.

 

maybe the system isnt perfect, but it would be hard to imagine, when it was created, that there would people like Trump running and winning elections because half the country got brainwashed. I mean, who could see that coming? They probably had higher hopes for Americans. It likely didnt cross their minds that someday we'd be firing AR15s and paying off porn stars and have Twitter and Fox and CNN forcing false information across the country. So the system is broken now, because of the people, not necessarily because of its design.