Politics Anguish and Anger From the Navy SEALs Who Turned In Edward Gallagher

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    The Navy SEALs showed up one by one, wearing hoodies and T-shirts instead of uniforms, to tell investigators what they had seen. Visibly nervous, they shifted in their chairs, rubbed their palms and pressed their fists against their foreheads. At times they stopped in midsentence and broke into tears.

    “Sorry about this,” Special Operator First Class Craig Miller, one of the most experienced SEALs in the group, said as he looked sideways toward a blank wall, trying to hide that he was weeping. “It’s the first time — I’m really broken up about this.”

    Video recordings of the interviews obtained by The New York Times, which have not been shown publicly before, were part of a trove of Navy investigative materials about the prosecution of Special Operations Chief Edward Gallagher on war crimes charges including murder.

    “The guy is freaking evil,” Special Operator Miller told investigators. “The guy was toxic,” Special Operator First Class Joshua Vriens, a sniper, said in a separate interview. “You could tell he was perfectly O.K. with killing anybody that was moving,” Special Operator First Class Corey Scott, a medic in the platoon, told the investigators.

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    Such dire descriptions of Chief Gallagher, who had eight combat deployments and sometimes went by the nickname Blade, are in marked contrast to Mr. Trump’s portrayal of him at a recent political rally in Florida as one of “our great fighters.”

    Though combat in Iraq barely fazed the SEALs, sitting down to tell Naval Criminal Investigative Service agents about what they had seen their platoon chief do during a 2017 deployment in Iraq was excruciating for them.

    Not only did they have to relive wrenching events and describe grisly scenes, they had to break a powerful unwritten code of silence in the SEALs, one of the nation’s most elite commando forces.

    The trove of materials also includes thousands of text messages the SEALs sent one another about the events and the prosecution of Chief Gallagher. Together with the dozens of hours of recorded interviews, they provide revealing insights into the men of the platoon, who have never spoken publicly about the case, and the leader they turned in.

    Platoon members said they saw Chief Gallagher shoot civilians and fatally stab a wounded captive with a hunting knife. Chief Gallagher was acquitted by a military jury in July of all but a single relatively minor charge, and was cleared of all punishment in November by Mr. Trump.

    Video from a SEAL’s helmet camera, included in the trove of materials, shows the barely conscious captive — a teenage Islamic State fighter so thin that his watch slid easily up and down his arm — being brought in to the platoon one day in May 2017. Then the helmet camera is shut off.

    In the video interviews with investigators, three SEALs said they saw Chief Gallagher go on to stab the sedated captive for no reason, and then hold an impromptu re-enlistment ceremony over the body, as if it were a trophy.

    “I was listening to it, and I was just thinking, like, this is the most disgraceful thing I’ve ever seen in my life,” Special Operator Miller, who has since been promoted to chief, told investigators.

    Special Operator Miller said that when the platoon commander, Lt. Jacob Portier, told the SEALs to gather over the corpse for photos, he did not feel he could refuse. The photos, included in the evidence obtained by The Times, show Chief Gallagher, surrounded by other SEALs, clutching the dead captive’s hair; in one photo, he holds a custom-made hunting knife.



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    “I think Eddie was proud of it, and that was, like, part of it for him,” Special Operator Miller told investigators.


    Chief Gallagher’s lawyer, Timothy Parlatore, said the video interviews were rife with inconsistencies and falsehoods that created “a clear road map to the acquittal.”

    Since his arrest nearly a year ago, Chief Gallagher has insisted that the charges against him were concocted by six disgruntled SEALs in his platoon who could not meet his high standards and wanted to force him out.

    “My first reaction to seeing the videos was surprise and disgust that they would make up blatant lies about me, but I quickly realized that they were scared that the truth would come out of how cowardly they acted on deployment,” Chief Gallagher said in a statement issued through his lawyer.

    “I felt sorry for them that they thought it necessary to smear my name, but they never realized what the consequences of their lies would be. As upset as I was, the videos also gave me confidence because I knew that their lies would never hold up under real questioning and the jury would see through it. Their lies and N.C.I.S.’s refusal to ask hard questions or corroborate their stories strengthened my resolve to go to trial and clear my name.”

    The video interviews and private group text conversations obtained by The Times do not reveal any coordinated deception among the SEALs in the chief’s platoon. Instead, they show men who were hesitant to come forward, but who urged one another to resist outside pressure and threats of violence, and to be honest.

    “Tell the truth, don’t lie or embellish,” one sniper who is now in SEAL Team 6 told the others in a group text in 2017, when they first tried to report the chief. “That way, he can’t say that we slandered him in any way.”


    When several SEALs in the group questioned what would come of reporting the chief to their commanders, another wrote: “That’s their decision. We just need to give them the truth.”



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    It is an unspoken rule among their teams that SEALs should not report other SEALs for misconduct. An internal investigation could close off choice assignments or end careers for the accusers as well as the accused. And anyone who reported concerns outside the tight-knit SEAL community risked being branded a traitor.

    “In a perfect world, there would be no risk, but that is not where we are,” Rick Haas, a retired command master chief who served in the SEALs for 30 years, said in an interview with The Times. “The teams are now divided over this, like I’ve never seen happen before.”

    In cramped interview rooms in San Diego, SEALs who spoke to Navy investigators painted a picture of a platoon driven to despair by a chief who seemed to care primarily about racking up kills. They described how their chief targeted women and children and boasted that “burqas were flying.”

    Asked whether the chief had a bias against Middle Eastern people, Special Operator Scott replied, “I think he just wants to kill anybody he can.”

    Some of the SEALs said they came to believe that the chief was purposefully exposing them to enemy fire to bait ISIS fighters into revealing their positions. They said the chief thought that casualties in the platoon would increase his chances for a Silver Star.


    Special Operator Vriens told investigators he had wanted to confront the chief in Iraq but had worried that if he did, he would be cut from missions and no longer be present to protect other SEALs from the chief. As he spoke, he struggled to keep his composure.

    “I can speak up, stand my ground,” he said in the interview. “He’s just going to do this to a new guy who he can manipulate. So I was like, I’m going to be his right-hand man, so — so no one else got hurt.”

    He pressed his forehead into his fists and started to cry. Then he took several deep breaths, rubbed his hands together and tried to continue.

    “So I worked for him and I kept my mouth shut,” he said.

    The platoon members told investigators that they tried repeatedly to report what they saw, but that the chain of command above them was friendly toward Chief Gallagher and took no action. Finally, in April 2018, they went outside the SEALs to the Naval Criminal Investigative Service. Chief Gallagher was arrested a few months later.

    The SEALs in the platoon were scattered to new assignments. They tried to keep tabs on the case, texting one another and commiserating over a series of setbacks, including accusations of prosecutorial misconduct, the removal of the lead prosecutor and reports that the judge overseeing the case was being investigated on suspicion of lying under oath.

    “This stuff is frustrating to read and makes it seem like Eddie will possibly get away with murder (literally),” Special Operator First Class Dylan Dille texted the group. “Let’s not forget there are 7-12 of us in here who had the balls to tell the truth about what Eddie has done.”

    He said he thought the case against Chief Gallagher was strong despite the procedural setbacks. “I am also convinced that we are gonna answer to a higher power someday, and everything happens for a reason,” wrote Special Operator Dille, who has since left the Navy. “Not compromising our integrity and keeping right on our side is all we can do.”

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    Seven members of the 22-person platoon testified at the trial that they saw the chief commit war crimes. Two men from the platoon testified that they did not see any evidence of crimes. Others refused to cooperate with prosecutors, which, a lawyer for some of the men said, they would not do without being granted immunity. Crucially, one SEAL who had accused the chief during the investigation — Special Operator Scott — changed his story on the witness stand, testifying that he and not Chief Gallagher had caused the captive’s death.

    Three of the men who testified at the trial left the Navy afterward, and have been trying to keep a low profile while they build civilian lives. Others are still in the SEAL teams, in some cases working on classified assignments. Some fear that coming forward has hurt their chances at success in the SEALs, but none have reported any retaliation. All of them declined to comment for this article.

    Since the trial, Chief Gallagher has repeatedly insulted them on social media and on Fox News, especially Craig Miller, whom the chief singled out for weeping while talking to investigators.

    Chief Gallagher retired from the Navy with full honors at the end of November, and has announced that he was starting a SEAL-themed clothing line.

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    A few days after he retired, an Instagram account belonging to him and his wife posted a photo of a custom-made hatchet, forged by the same SEAL veteran who made the hunting knife he was accused of using to kill the captive. Before the deployment, Chief Gallagher had told the knife maker he hoped to “dig that knife or hatchet on someone’s skull!”


    “Eddie finally got his stuff back from NCIS,” the post said, listing the hatchet among a “few of our favorite things now returned.”


    Another item returned to him was a black-and-white Islamic State flag. On Saturday, Chief Gallagher presented Mr. Trump with a folded black-and-white cloth that other SEALs from the platoon said appeared to be the flag.

    A post on the chief’s Instagram account said, “Finally got to thank the President and his amazing wife by giving them a little gift from Eddie’s deployment to Mosul.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/27/...her-video.html?smid=tw-nytimesworld&smtyp=cur
     
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    I'm sure there's at least one other shoe that has yet to drop...the timing seems a bit odd too.
     
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    The guy sounds like a murderer, if you ask me. But who am I to judge, seeing as I've never killed anyone...
     
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    There you have it, The New York Times, tarnished with the ugly reputation of having twice the number of Pulitzer prizes of number two on that list of winners, The Washington Post. How can you trust them when compared with the mighty Breitbart or Fox News winners of zero accolades of any sort for their journalism expertise. Oops, I forgot, they are winners of multiple awards by tweet from our President.
    Sure, and then you have the nerve to present obviously photo shopped video of his team members who all lied about his conduct. Can you imagine every one of his team lying about him? It's literally unheard of. Thank God we've got our President Covfefe to set our standards high.
     
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    For them to break their code of silence/brotherhood takes something huge. These men showed courage, character, patriotism, integrity. Four words the current occupant of the White House can never understand.
     
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    The fake leftist bitterly criticizes Trump, me, and almost all male 60s college students for doing what it took to not get drafted.

    Years ago, I noted that your description of professional killers is always admiring.
     
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    Well, duh, these guys are putting their lives on the line to assure me of safety while I sleep snug in my bed at night. Yeah, I too admire them.
    I do not admire someone who would stab a young boy to death just because he belonged to a population that contained some vicious enemies even if he is a SEAL. I faced this in Vietnam and decided while I was over there that I would never participate in any killings of innocent civilians even civilians in a village harboring the enemy. Yep, I admire those SEALS who were disgusted with the criminal acts committed by Special Operations Chief Edward Gallagher.
     
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    Not just these "guys", Lanny. Women are now Seals and Rangers. They go through same training and meet same standards. That war criminal violated them.
     
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    1. "almost all male 60s college students"?...that's quite a stretch/exaggeration to say the least.

    2. The difference is that you're not the POTUS....You know, someone who is actually a leader?

    3. Did you also get 6 different draft deferrals for "bone spurs" like your cowardly fuhrer ?

    4. fwiw, I for one, am not a "fake leftist".
     
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    1, 2. Bullshit. Very few corporate and political leaders who went to college in the 60s joined the military. And even including nonstudents, the number of draft-age men in the military was under 50% in every year of the Vietnam War. Never did it reach a majority, even in the peak years 1967-69. I researched this once upon a time.

    3. Good for him. He stayed out of an evil war.

    4. Who knows what you are. You're demanding that those who don't want to kill, kill.
     
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    If someone tries hard enough, they can somehow find a way to justify just about anything they do/did.
     
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    I'm outraged that people are outraged about the Navy Seals being outraged over their leader's outrageous actions.
     
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    You clearly understand how the internet works.
     
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    I was a college student when I got drafted.
    I knew both good and bad guys who resisted the draft in the late 60s.
    I knew both good and bad guys who went in the Army with me.
    By the way, the U.S. Marine Corps. was also drafting guys in those years. When I was in a large group of maybe a couple hundred guys getting drafted one day, they came out and randomly took a group of about 8 of us and made Marines out of them.
    We had a college graduate in my Basic Training platoon and a guy who couldn't read or write and had to sign his name with an 'X'. We had all kinds.
    Who we didn't have? We didn't have George Bush who was hiding out in the reserves and we didn't have future Vice President Dan Quayle who's daddy found him a privileged position in the, now I forget, it was either the National Guard or the Army Reserves.
     
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    I imagine you didn't have Cadet Bone Spurs in your unit.
     
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    trump is criticized by vets and non vets for many things. The phony bone spur excuse is just one of many criticisms and really a minor one in comparison to other larger issues.[/Quote][/QUOTE]
     
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    Good point...unfortunately, there are way too many blind Trump apologists who back him no matter what...and you don't really have to look far for examples...there are quite a few who post here and some of them even manage to talk out both sides of their arse.
     
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