Turner has been battling injuries this season and, to really gauge things properly, compare Turner last season to Bazemore this season...that's the exchange Portland made: like I said, it hasn't been an upgrade the Lakers traded Mozgov and Russell for the expiring contract of Brooke Lopez and for Kyle Kuzma. In other words, they got out of Mozgov's deal 2 years earlier than Portland. They bought-out and waived Deng at a discount. The result of those two moves was that the Lakers had the space to sign Lebron and trade for AD. Yeah, they did a fuck of a lot better than Portland Memphis traded Parsons of Hill and Plumlee, then waived Plumlee. It was a revenue neutral trade and they got a player that's putting up better numbers than Bazemore. Besides that, Memphis was not trying to compete for a playoff spot like Portland, so the trade made sense for them first of all....I don't kill him in every thread. I've mentioned it two or three times today, but then in threads talking about Portland's current and future situations, and owing CJ 157M over 5 years seems rather germane to the present and future. secondly, I have credited Olshey for the Nurkic contract, but I also recognize the circumstances: When Olshey has a lot of cap-space in a competitive cap-space market, he's been a fucking idiot. And when his favorite players are eligible for extensions, he goes crazy. When there is almost no cap-space around the league, no competition, and it's a total buyers market for centers, Olshey will get a C like Nurkic to sign a bargain deal. Should Olshey get the credit for a rare sign of restraint, or should it be the market?
I find your use of these stats as end all be all highly annoying. They don't tell the real story. Here is a comparison, tell me who you'd like:
Agree, sometimes some fans, not all, have better ideas than their GMs. But it shows two more things. 1) Paul gave his GMs a very long leash, and seldom denied them their wants. Even when he disagreed with them. 2) Both @TBpup and @tester551 have better memories than I do.
lol...what's the "real" story? We were talking about going from Turner to Bazemore. Those stats were exactly what happened statistically in the exchange, one year to the next
Just an update on an injured player. Not sure if it has been mentioned? Aminu has been out over a month now with a torn meniscus. Not sure why he is not having it operated on? My torn meniscus did not heal itself.
I'm not sure what you're getting at...? to track the discussion back though it started with the notion that going from Turner to Bazemore somehow mitigated in a positive manner the debacle of the 2016 off-season. I'm saying the Turner/Bazemore swap did nothing to mitigate that portion of 2016 because they are equally bad players and Bazemore's actually a bit more expensive
And Bazemore and his 3pt shooting are better for this team this year than Evan ever was for this team during his tenure or Evan currently with the hawks. You decided not to show his 3pt% for obvious reasons because they don't fit your narrative.
bullshit I "decided" not to show his 3 point shooting because 3 point shots aren't the only shots that are taken. It doesn't fucking matter if Bazemore is shooting 36% from the arc when he's also shooting 36% from 2 point range...that's horrible. Bazemore is shooting 36.4% on two's this season; Turner shot 49.4% on two's last season. TS% shows the entire shooting landscape so it's what I used. And assuming that Bazemore's three point shooting is more important than the things Turner did is just that...an assumption, and it's not supported by anything statistically, or by the eyeball test for that matter bottom line is that neither Bazemore or Turner are good enough to have much of a positive impact for any team. They are below average role players at best, and are both deeply flawed
Read below. Im getting at the cost difference is negligible considering how each fits with the team. Bazemore 19.250 mill Turner 18.6 Mill So half a mill is your argument. The opposite is Bazemore fits better than half a mill with this tema than Turner did. And I was a turner fan to an extent. You left off key stats to make your claim. Its a hollow argument because you ommitted a few key items. again. Read below.
no, to be precise it's actually about 2.3 million in salary and tax. how does Bazemore "fit better"? Personally, I think they both fit poorly, but at least Turner could run the offense for the 2nd unit at times. Bazemore can't what stats did I leave off that make a difference? if you're talking about three's, I'll call the same bullshit on that I called on illamatic because three's are not the only ways possessions end
I just looked up their salaries. How do you figure? Taxes would have been there regardless. The salary of each player is what I listed they are making this season. My calculator says your math is wrong. And yes. The threes. Anyone who knows this team knows we have been in the tops of the league in 3pt% and attempts the last half decade. To add a shooting guard who doesn't shoot threes is a big omission, regardless of you thinking it is or isn't.
your calculator needs new batteries Bazemore makes 663K more than Turner Portland is 13 million over the tax line so they have 3M in tax assessed at the 2.5 tax penalty rate...that's where Bazemore's extra salary is assessed. So then .663 X 2.5 = 1.66M + .663 = 2.3M in salary and tax. It's pretty simple and yeah, this is quibbling over a minor issue two things: both you and illimatic accused me of cherry picking numbers. You also both said I was leaving out stat(S)...plural, But all you guys are talking about is three's...one stat but like I pointed out, Bazemore's two point shooting has been horrible and he's shooing 4 of those a game. He's at 36% and should be at 50% or higher. That's going to offset almost all of the good his 3 point shooting adds. That's inevitable when somebody shoots that poorly Bazemore is 13th on the Blazers in PER; 12th in TS%; 12th in eFG%; 13th in 2ptFG%; 14th in winshares/48 and winshares; 9th in value over replacement. Now, the facts are that Turner wasn't much better at those last season things than Bazemore this season. They both suck ,and that just illustrates that trying to somehow spin Bazemore's contributions into some kind of positive is pointless. Maybe he'll get better as the season goes on, but to this point...nope
663 more than Turner. That's what I said! The taxes would have been there no matter who filled the shoes. Did you think he would be able to match EXACT salaries? Bazemore is a better 3pt shooter and 3pt shooting fits this team better than bid range iso ball that turner often played. Again. I was a Turner fan, but even I get the move. Your numbers are irrelevant. Bazemore is a better fit for this team than Turner is and neither have been the one to crutch this team. Time to move on.
