Kevin Love AGAIN (with poll)

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Would you trade for Kevin Love?

  1. Yes for anyone other than Lillard and McCollum

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  2. Yes for anyone other than Lillard, McCollum or Nurkic

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  3. Yes for scrubs

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  4. Not at any price

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  1. RR7

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    We should just wait until Lamarcus hits free agency next summer. In the meantime see if Collins can handle the position and take some other low risk chances, like Harry Giles. Even Skal would be intriguing as a PF.
     
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    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    And sign him with what cap space?
     
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    There are some reasons to trade for Love. I don't feel like reading through the entire thread to see if this was talked about already.

    Love's contract ends in 23, and that's when they'd be entering Zach's first big contract year. Little's contract will still be in his rookie contract, as will Simons. Simons new deal would, in theory, kick in the season after Love's would come off the books.

    So his contract won't really hamstring the team anymore than they already are (which is only due to whether or not the team wants to play the lux tax, assuming that's still an issue).

    They aren't likely to sign anyone of his value next year, or ever, as a free agent. It also gives Zach a little more lee-way on his return and role on the team. He might be a better 20-25 minute backup next year than a starter.

    Yeah, Love has injury issues (why change things, right?), and he's on the downward side of his career, but he'd be on a team that is far more talented than Cleveland and Dame and Nurk do make their teammates better (something CJ and Whiteside really don't).

    All this said, I'm still not convinced the Blazers will pull the trigger for him. I suspect Bazemore and Whiteside will just come off the books and the Blazers will sign 2 or 3 seasoned vets next year that won't do shit.
     
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    Portland will have space next summer, but even if they didn’t they could probably still get Aldridge for the full MLE. He’ll be 36.
     
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    The Cap figures at hoopshype aren't including at least 15 million in cap holds (Simons at 4, Zach at 7, Little at 2 are under contract, Skal and Hood contracts might be under contract). So the only way they'd be able to sign him was MLE as you said, and I doubt that he'd sign for MLE, nor do I think we should waste *another* year with the goal being to sign a 36 year old LMA.
     
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    I don't want Love. I don't want Blake Griffin. Honestly I'm not pumped about anyone that's rumored right now.
     
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    This is not correct.

    Zach's contract ends in 2021 so there are 2 years of overlap from having to pay Zach and still being on the hook for over $60 million for Love.

    Anfernee's contract ends in 2022 so there would also be a year overlap there as well.
     
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    In the context of qualifying offers, the Blazers have Simons under contract until 23, and Zach until 22. So I'm not incorrect in what I said.
     
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    I don't think that's full context

    trading for Love means Portland is win-now. Win-now mean Portland has to maximize next year's team. Maximizing next year's team means Portland pays tax next season. And that means that in the first year of Dame's super-max and CJ's near-max, Portland would be paying repeater tax

    all that comes, and I'm assuming here, after Jody Allen notices she has the most expensive payroll in the league for a team 7 games under .500, and is facing a 20M luxury tax bill for that. It may be that tax doesn't faze her, but I think that assumption could be fading as a possibility. She went along with a big tax bill this season when the glow and good feeling about last year was still fresh. That glow is gone and reality has set in

    maybe she'll study recent Blazer history. The last time the Blazers had a 'feel-good' close to the season was 2016, and the debacle of the 2016 off-season quickly followed. Now there's the 'feel-good' close to the 2019 season and look where the team is. Portland needs to quit doubling down on a team that keeps getting swept
     
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    In the context of what you said if those players took their QO they'd be gone in the years you mention and we wouldn't have to worry about paying them. So no the context of qualifying offers doesn't make you correct, sorry.
     
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    You said:

    The "new deals" (signed during their RFA status) start in the same year as their QO; so Collins' and Simons' new deals would each start one year earlier than you specified.
     
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    Cavs clearing roster spots to accommodate an unbalanced K-Love deal?
     
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    Maybe!

    Or they could also just be waiving guys before they become guaranteed on Friday.
     
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    always go with the boring option. I’d take mckinnie though. Have wanted him since seeing him play with Layman.
     
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    I'm just praying we're not the team getting Love, ha ha.

    As for McKinnie...

    Would you rather have McKinnie for "free" off waivers or Glenn Robinson (or Alec Burks) if it cost a 2nd round pick?
     
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    Robinson or Burks. Btw I’m pretty sure golden state has only a couple days left to clear room for their two way guys.
     
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