Trade Bazemore being traded to SAC

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  1. hoopsjock

    hoopsjock Well-Known Member

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    Ariza vs Bazemore Contract:

    1) Ariza makes less this year saving the Blazers money.

    2) Bazemore's contract could be combined with other salaries this season to make trades work, Ariza's contract can't.

    3) Bazemore couldn't be traded after the season but before the new league year, Ariza can. However, if he is traded his salary becomes guaranteed for whatever team trades for him.

    4) If Bazemore left in free agency we'd have $0 towards the cap in 2020-21. If Ariza is waived they'd have $1.8 million against the 2020-21 cap.

    So in conclusion, the Blazers saved a lot of money now at the cost of paying a much smaller amount next year or keeping Ariza instead of having "cap space" kind of like a free agent acquisition. Bazemore is easier to trade now but Ariza's window for trading is open longer, you just can't trade for him and waive him if the trade happens after this season.
     
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    One other thing.
    Ariza does have some game. He might play well enough or fit a little better and produce for the team. Blazers also picked up Gabriel. Who knows? Gabriel might work into something.
     
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    I'm not referring to anything about the players on the court, just contractually.
     
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    @kjironman1

    Tom Ziller just added an addendum to his article thanks to me and Dwight Jaynes had to write a retraction piece.
     
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    What’s the rush to dump Ariza? Hood will be coming back from the most serious injury, and the only other possible fixture at SF on the roster is a teenager. Ariza still grades out as one of the better defensive wings in the league and has experience on the biggest stage. He’s only under contract for one more season, so if he has a sudden fall from the cliff there’s no long term commitment.

    Dame
    CJ
    Ariza
    Collins..maybe Melo
    Nurkic

    Hood sixth man.

    That’s not intriguing to anyone else?
     
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    Good work!
     
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    What the hell are you talking about? Stotts offense gets players quality shots with only 1 defender guarding them :hcp:
     
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    Haha Nice!
     
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    you talked about 3ptFG% and that's what I was talking about, not TS%

    * Henderson shot .348 his final year in Charlotte; he shot .353 in Portland and shot the same .353 the year after in Philly. His career mark was .327 but that was because he shot about 22% over his first 3 seasons. And he attempted less than 2 three's a game in Portland

    * Turner's career mark from three is .294; in Portland he shot .278

    Aminu shot 32% over his first 20 games with Portland. Harkless shot under 28% over his first season in Portland. Napier is about the only one you can definitely say shot better in Portland. But we are talking about players in their early 20's, going thru full training camps and exhibition seasons in an offensive system. Not somebody coming in cold mid-season after a trade

    Ariza is in his 16th season, having played for 10 different teams; Portland will be his 11th. He's played in 1145 games, logging 33,000 minutes. He's unlikely to be getting a bump in a new system. He's essentially at his career mark of .351 this year, and has been at it or under in 8 or the last 12 seasons

    all I'm saying is it's probably unrealistic to expect a player of his age and experience to have a big uptick in shooting percentages after a mid-season trade. If he was 22, maybe. But 34?
     
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    I just don’t get it. The Kings traded Ariza when they can just waive him next season for 1.8M. Unless they want to package Baze on another trade before the deadline (not sure if that’s possible). It’s not a sexy trade but I think we won this one.
     
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    the difference in salaries moved was about 5M more that Sac was taking on. However, more than half of that 5M has already been paid by Portland. So, the Kings probably paid a little over 2M for a pair of 2nd round draft picks, which seems lower than the going rate, AND, they got to force Olshey to take back Swanigan...win-win
     
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    Well to add to that, they owe Bazemore and Tolliver nothing this off season so they basically got the picks for free with no cap hit next year.
     
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    good point...I forgot about that
     
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    I was with you up to the statement about Olshey being "genuine." The guy has the style of a used car salesman who moonlights as a televangelist after being being trained by Donald Sterling. Yes, the injuries are an issue - but this team would have 6 more wins just by playing the way they did against Houston. Even taking injuries into account, this team is less than the sum of its talent. So yes, Stotts and Olshey are using injuries for cover.
     
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    let me get back to you in a couple months.....
     
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    Fucken A!
    Awesome!
    Great job @hoopsjock
    Our own personal CBA expert!
    It should also be noted that it was good of him to admit his mistake here.
     
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    Not until Nurk and Hood prove they are the players they were pre-injury and Collins proves he is worth the hype.
     
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    Trevor Ariza was drafted in 2004. He is to be congratulated on lasting this long. To give some context, he was drafted 3 picks ahead of Ha Seung-Jin.
    Other players from his draft class who have not lasted this long:
    Ben Gordon
    Josh Childress
    Luol Deng
    Josh Smith
    Viktor Khryapa
    Sergei Monya
    Tony Allen
    Kevin Martin

    Congrats to Dwight Howard and Andre Iguodala for lasting along with him!
     
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    The point about it was more that JC will make him look bad before he says it and because of that now Neil will look like he is not being Genuinely honest in his response. You calling him a used car salesman just solidifies it all the more.
     

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